January 25, 2013 at 7:32 am #169946
But they’ve made a point of saying that our world did NOT have magic, but anything associated with the creation of SB WAS magic, so how did the magic of their sudden credit cards and whatnot end up being recognised in the systems of our non-magical world?
It’s a plot hole I’m happy to gloss over and just accept that it works because it works, but I do think it’s sort of a plot hole.[adrotate group="5"]January 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm #170005jessistaParticipant
It goes beyond credit cards too–MM was a teacher and probably needed to be certified, Archie and Whale were MDs (Archie’s door says MD, not PhD, though he could have both) and probably need to be licensed by a state board of some kind, and Gold was a lawyer who would have to be licensed and registered with the state bar. I don’t know about doctors or teachers, but I know lawyers have to do CLE’s (continuing legal education) credits every year–so does Gold’s name just suddenly appear on records of CLE classes?
And that’s not even going into the issues presented by the Internet (wouldn’t people like Ruby have facebook profiles?), fashion (how do they keep their clothing up-to-date without noticing the passage of time? Do their old clothes magically disappear to be replaced by new ones?), and news events (did they know about 9/11? Do they vote in presidential elections? do they even watch the news?).
Like you, I’m happy to ignore this plot hole, but I would LOVE to hear any explanation that the writers would come up with.January 26, 2013 at 3:31 am #170031JosephineParticipant
I don’t know about doctors or teachers, but I know lawyers have to do CLE’s (continuing legal education) credits every year–so does Gold’s name just suddenly appear on records of CLE classes?
I’m a certified teacher and in my state you have to have 180 credit hours of continuing education every five years or your certificate becomes inactive. All states have similar requirements but it varies state by state.
I just take it that magic affects the everyday little things about town. What I did find interesting is that Whale is a doctor in both worlds, but Doc, who delivered Emma and was only a doctor because it said so on his ax, isn’t in our world, thank goodness. Regina changed things about these people, but buried deep inside, they were the same people. It’s just that their most feared or worst personality traits were amplified because of the curse. Whale remained a doctor, Archie stayed the conscience and still guided people, Leroy remained grumpy, and the fairies were still a kept apart from everyday life of the town.
Magic worked outside of Storybrooke, too. Don’t forget that August felt his body changing when he was in Phuket, some force brought Emma and Neal together, and somehow Gold, without his memories, obtained Henry for Regina. There is some kind of magical force outside of Storybrooke that is affecting everyone associated with the curse. If they delve further into the Peter Pan mythos, then there is also proof magic has been used our world when Peter visited Wendy and the Darlings. He was able to jump between worlds. Alice is another example. Falling down the rabbit hole would be a portal into another world.
This might be “A Land Without Magic” but that doesn’t mean that magic has never come visiting before.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.January 26, 2013 at 4:57 am #170034
Magic worked outside of Storybrooke, too. Don’t forget that August felt his body changing when he was in Phuket, some force brought Emma and Neal together, and somehow Gold, without his memories, obtained Henry for Regina. There is some kind of magical force outside of Storybrooke that is affecting everyone associated with the curse.
True! People associated with the curse certainly couldn’t escape its affects, no matter where in our world they were. I think that’s slightly different to how SB became magically integrated into our world, though. Once you’ve got Henry using MM’s credit card online, to pay for a service on a website that originates from outside SB, that means that real world, non-curse affected people/things are being affected by the curse, as opposed to having curse related affects contained to FTL folks. Same thing goes for any non-SB businesses that supplied anything to SB.
If they delve further into the Peter Pan mythos, then there is also proof magic has been used our world when Peter visited Wendy and the Darlings. He was able to jump between worlds. Alice is another example. Falling down the rabbit hole would be a portal into another world.
This might be “A Land Without Magic” but that doesn’t mean that magic has never come visiting before.
Indeed. The very fact that the SBers ended up in our world is proof that it’s never been completely closed off from magic, otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to access it at all. This is why I can let the technicalities slide, but like jessista said, if K&H do have their own specific reasoning behind it, it’d be great to learn about it.January 26, 2013 at 9:17 am #170048
To be honest, I don’t want the writers to explain any of it. Please remember that for 28 years the time STOPPED for Storybrooke. Its residents could’ve been going through the Groundhog Day every single day and not notice it – the only one who was changing was Henry. That required a carefully designed “bubble” – their own community living according to the rules of the curse and not to the reality. For all we know they could’ve not existed for any outsiders who didn’t specifically want to look for it, like Emma or August.
Yes, some of them have mobile phones (ancient ones though, check the Outsider episode when Belle calls Rumple) but I haven’t seen any iphones, tablets, mp3 players… These people were stuck in one point in time, probably that of a 28 years ago and I doubt many of them know how to even use internet (but they probably know of it).
Repeating any courses for teachers, doctors, lawyers? No, it actually seems to me like all those titles aren’t even valid in the rest of the world, they have been created, as Regina mentioned, from the curse (that conveniently didn’t allow them to leave town), along with their fake memories so they might just exist in Storybrooke. And who needs repeating the courses every few years if the time doesn’t even exist there? They probably don’t even know they would have to do that because the standards set up by the curse don’t require it. It’s a bit like a fake community in the Truman Show, only the one watching is Regina.
They never needed to identify themselves “in the real world” so it will be interesting how Gold bypasses his fake identity and all that.January 26, 2013 at 11:28 am #170054
They never needed to identify themselves “in the real world” so it will be interesting how Gold bypasses his fake identity and all that.
I agree with some points you made, but that’s where we disagree.
Sticking with the example of MM’s credit card. Henry used it on the mommy finder website, and he used it to buy a bus ticket to Boston, and he also used it to pay for a cab there. All of the facilities he used to pay for those things were in the real world, not SB operated. If Henry plugged in credit card details that weren’t recognised as being legit in the real world, it wouldn’t have worked, the card would have been rejected. But it did work. Which means that MM’s magically created credit info is legit enough to be recognised by our real world systems, which in turn should mean that Mr Gold’s ID will also be recognised, no problems. That right there is interaction between SB and the outside world, even though SB is essentially a non-entity as far as the outside world is concerned. If magic isn’t supposed to exist in our world, then how does that work?January 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm #170082
See, to me this is more to do with the fact that they are reaching outside Storybrooke and this is what is causing the interaction. To me it seems like as long as they were to stay within town, nobody would know of their existence, even the government but as soon as someone is reaching ‘outside’, the details the are requiring would conveniently appear wherever they are needed. Nobody probably knew about MM until Henry using her card triggered that.
And yes, this was supposed to be a world without magic but still, it was a world with a curse in it and that curse (thanks to Rumple) more than likely, took care of all of those ‘minor’ problems. Rather than thinking that somewhere out there some magic created fake identity, I’m thinking more than this Magic or Power of the Curse was born either directly in Storybrooke, or even long before it – just when the curse was cast and came with the residents, just to act whenever it’s needed.January 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm #170086
I agree that any magical reaction that was taking place was created in and seeped out of SB. Certainly don’t think there was any magical force in our world reaching out to connect in the other direction. And if we never get an official explanation about it, I’ll be satisfied with assuming there was some part in the curse that provided for these things. There’s no way Rumple could have written all this type of stuff specifically into the curse, because he didn’t know the technicalities of the world they were going to. So an all purpose, “make sure the fact that we’re displaced beings from a magical realm remains undetectable to the rest of the world we’re in” clause would suffice.
But there’ll still always be questions like how supplies were delivered to town if no strangers ever come in and no one can leave. They can’t be completely isolated from and also integrated into the world at the same time, there’s gotta be a middle ground of some description.January 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm #170088
But Henry pointed out some time that he could only leave town to find Emma, because he was intending on coming back. Perhaps that is how the delivery people would work – no outsider could come to town so someone from Storybrooke would have to go out and bring things in – as long as they were certain to come back, this could’ve been possible?January 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm #170090
I think that’s probably how Henry explained it to himself, and they needed an explanation of some sort right from the getgo, before they’d shown us what the story of this town was really all about. But I suspect he could always come and go, because he was never affected by the curse to begin with. If Emma and August could come and go at will, it stands to reason that Henry could too.
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