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I disagree. As long as Rumplestiltskin lives, Belle will always have a part to play
Her part would be very minor like Grumpy’s, BF she isn’t a major/core player in Once, She is going to be like Henry SR we know he was Cora husband but we never saw much of him.
[adrotate group="5"]Cora was not a regular character, let alone one of the main stars, plus Henry Sr. was sacrificed early in the series as a plot point long before Cora became even a recurring guest star.
Rumple on the other hand, is one of the main stars, not just a regular. Grumpy is a recurring character, and while I’ll grant you Red was a regular in season 2, the plot shifted so she wasn’t given much to do. That’s possible for Belle too, but I see her more similar to Charming’s role. Snow is more the focus than Charming, but they try to find stuff for him to do. Same with Belle.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
@RumplesGirl wrote:
There are many theories about this.
1) Regina has been to NL and encountered the Mermaid there
2) Mermaids are in both lands (we know for SURE they are in NL, we don’t know they are in FTL yet)
3) Mermaids travel between worlds. Phee can jump in here and tell you the theory about water as a way between worlds.
Yes, I’ve been wondering for a while now if perhaps beings that live in bodies of water are able to access both sides, so to speak, because we’ve seen that portals through bodies of water connect worlds. Recently I was wondering if maybe that spot at the “bottom of a bottomless ocean” could be a nexus point that generates some sort of magic that allows the portals through the ocean to exists. It’s all just random musings on my part though, not really a solid part of a theory at the moment.
@Demileto wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
1) Regina has been to NL and encountered the Mermaid there
She can’t have been to Neverland, she didn’t even recognize the land when its map appeared on the globe. It’d necessarily have to be the other way around, as in Ariel went to FTL from NL.
This doesn’t rule out her having been to NL IMO. Even if she’s been there, that doesn’t mean she’s seen a full map of the whole land and committed it to memory. When the name of the place was mentioned, she did have a bit of a, “Holy crap,” expression going on, like maybe she knew something about the place.
Regarding Regina’s “mermaid problem” though, I posted a few days ago in another thread, pondering if perhaps she could have actually been referencing the Siren in Lake Nostos. It would have been a loose use of the term “mermaid”, given that we never saw her with a tail, though she was luring men to their deaths in her lake, which I suspect may be a similar M.O. of the NL mermaids that Hook warns about. Anyway, we don’t know how Lake Nostos dried up, but surely there’s some story to it, and I could see Regina wanting to get rid of it if its waters could undo curses she put on people. Also, I could see her calling the Siren a mermaid if they’re two different beasts and Sirens believe themselves superior, so Regina used the term as a smack down.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@MatthewPaul wrote:
I would say Adam & Eddy not knowing when to introduce her yet implies that they don’t necessarily just want to lump Ariel into Neverland just because there happens to be mermaids there. Seeing mermaids will certainly be something that will happen in Neverland, but that doesn’t mean we have to see Ariel among them.
True having mermaids in NL doesn’t mean we’re getting Ariel but if you’re going to do her story, what better time than when you’ve already set up mermaids in the world?
In particular when that setup has involved them being spoken of as creatures to be feared if they catch you in the water. A vital point of The Little Mermaid’s story is that she saves a guy from drowning. That’s what has me sold on Ariel being in NL. It’s not just the fact that there are mermaids there, it’s that the setup of them being dangerous to humans is the ideal setup to show that part of Ariel’s story where she busts the myth.
@KFChimera wrote:
That’s possible for Belle too, but I see her more similar to Charming’s role. Snow is more the focus than Charming, but they try to find stuff for him to do. Same with Belle.
This! And I think she’ll have some important stuff to do in season 3.
Belle may have not been given too much to do yet, but she is the true love of someone who absolutely is a core character. Her connection to Rumple makes her important by default- far more so than Granny or Grumpy or Blue Fairy or Red. She isn’t just a side character- she is a big part of Rumple’s arc. Emilie de Ravin has stated that she is going to continue being a series regular in the 3rd season, and Adam has confimed on Twitter that they have plans for her. She isn’t going anywhere. We will see more of her story.
As for Ariel…I can see them doing the Neverland angle I suppose, but I am not too keen on the idea at the moment, especially if the Neverland mermaids curse sailors who fall into the water. I just don’t see Ariel being that way. I think it is more likely that she lived in Enchanted Forest. However, I have been wrong before. I am not sure about the idea that mermaids can travel through worlds either…that makes it sound too easy. The premises of the whole show is that it is difficult.
@AngieBelle wrote:
As for Ariel…I can see them doing the Neverland angle I suppose, but I am not too keen on the idea at the moment, especially if the Neverland mermaids curse sailors who fall into the water. I just don’t see Ariel being that way.
Exactly. She’s the exception. Disney’s Triton is rather anti-human. So perhaps in the Onceiverse, that’s why merfolk are known as being dangerous. Maybe they’re under orders from their King to drown any humans they can get their hands on, (maybe because Pan and his followers have corrupted NL). But Ariel is special, because she’s the one mermaid who wants to befriend humans. If they establish that as a general rule, merfolk are dangerous and to be avoided, which has been done thanks to Hook’s comments, that serves to make Ariel unique amongst her people if she’s a NL mermaid.
@Phee wrote:
@AngieBelle wrote:
As for Ariel…I can see them doing the Neverland angle I suppose, but I am not too keen on the idea at the moment, especially if the Neverland mermaids curse sailors who fall into the water. I just don’t see Ariel being that way.
Exactly. She’s the exception. Disney’s Triton is rather anti-human. So perhaps in the Onceiverse, that’s why merfolk are known as being dangerous. Maybe they’re under orders from their King to drown any humans they can get their hands on, (maybe because Pan and his followers have corrupted NL). But Ariel is special, because she’s the one mermaid who wants to befriend humans. If they establish that as a general rule, merfolk are dangerous and to be avoided, which has been done thanks to Hook’s comments, that serves to make Ariel unique amongst her people if she’s a NL mermaid.
But why would Prince Eric and his kingdom be in Neverland?
@AngieBelle wrote:
But why would Prince Eric and his kingdom be in Neverland?
Ah, you’re asking the wrong person that question, because I’d be fine with them mashing Prince Eric up with Killian Jones, who is clearly in NL. 😉
Prince Eric has no significant history or unique characterisation, he’s basically just there to give Ariel someone to fall in love with. Hook is an established character who they will want to flesh out a history for. Connecting Ariel to Hook makes her significant to an already established main character, which in turn makes her more significant in the grand scheme of the overall story. If her prince is someone else totally new, then they’re both sideline characters who are somewhat disconnected from the core storyline, and we get another Aurora/Phillip type situation where fans are sort of “meh” about them both. I’d prefer to see Ariel have some real significance, instead of having a forgettable, sideline role with some random prince.
@Phee wrote:
@AngieBelle wrote:
But why would Prince Eric and his kingdom be in Neverland?
Ah, you’re asking the wrong person that question, because I’d be fine with them mashing Prince Eric up with Killian Jones, who is clearly in NL. 😉
Prince Eric has no significant history or unique characterisation, he’s basically just there to give Ariel someone to fall in love with. Hook is an established character who they will want to flesh out a history for. Connecting Ariel to Hook makes her significant to an already established main character, which in turn makes her more significant in the grand scheme of the overall story. If her prince is someone else totally new, then they’re both sideline characters who are somewhat disconnected from the core storyline, and we get another Aurora/Phillip type situation where fans are sort of “meh” about them both. I’d prefer to see Ariel have some real significance, instead of having a forgettable, sideline role with some random prince.
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Yeah, I definitely get what you are saying. Still not sure if I like that idea since Neverland is such a fantastical island as opposed to the real world type place that Ariel was so interested in. I also don’t get the impression that Hook has loved anyone since Milah unless they were planning to have the traditional Little Mermaid story happen in present day. However, we don’t usually see the familiar part of the story- most often we see before it or after it. But if it turns out you are right, I could possible warm up to the idea if it’s done well. I was really against the idea of Bae having been to Neverland originally, but that turned out ok.
I won’t lie: I’m slowly climbing aboard HMS Hookriel. The more I think about it, the more I like it. I’ve never shipped crack before. 🙂
I also don’t get the impression that Hook has loved anyone since Milah unless they were planning to have the traditional Little Mermaid story happen in present day. However, we don’t usually see the familiar part of the story- most often we see before it or after it. But if it turns out you are right, I could possible warm up to the idea if it’s done well. I was really against the idea of Bae having been to Neverland originally, but that turned out ok.
Phee and I have different headcanons on this but I don’t think Hook has met Ariel yet, but I do think she’s seen him from afar and is in love with him. She wants to be human to be with him but so far Hook’s only ever been interested in revenge.
Has anyone thought about Ursula? I remember back at the first Paley Fest, when The Little Mermaid was brought up, Lana said she wanted to play Ursula. So will Ursula be someone we already know or someone new? I think I’d prefer someone new.
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