August and his ankle?

[surayya]

Ok for me the big neon flashing light bulb that went off with August the ‘writer’ having shinsplints was, that he’s sharply increased the amount or length of exercise that he’s used to rapidly. Why would he do that? He’s meant to be a writer not a fitness junky, so what the oats is he doing all of a sudden now he’s in SB that he’d have developed shinsplints was my question.

Personally I dont think much of the evidence logically leads to Pinocchio – Why…

The Blue fairy was very specific on this part & I will quote direct from her here “The enchantment is indeed powerful, but all power has its limits & this tree can protect only one”. For me that sums it up it can protect only one being, Not two from the curse.

Also the newspaper said 7yr old “local” boy finds ….. Not 7yr old orphan finds (for those that say Pincchino went through the same wardrobe as Emma).

IMO the whole reason pincchino was Able to become a real boy at all, was the fact he was made of enchanted wood (-if he even was made of enchanted wood- he could simply be made of wood & the BF waved her wand twice n poof real boy) & so once he becomes a real boy the enchantment ends, just as it did for the tree/wardrobe- it’s powerful enchantment worked once & then was used up, otherwise Pinocchio could go backwards & forwards from wood to real whenever.

Also August says “I dont lie” or words to that effect repeatedly to Emma- well he does so lie, he lied to Ruby in the diner when he said he was in Nepal & that the temples were over run with Lemurs- Lemurs live only on Madagascar Island, they are found nowhere else on earth (naturally). He also said he had his/’my’ bike- so man oh man, he must Love that bike because most people would just hire transport to use when overseas rather than taking their own with them- it’s not like he can ride from Nepal to Maine after all.

I think I read (or saw) an interview, where one of the EP said “listen closely to August in the diner when he talks about Lemurs, then you'll see how trust worthy he is” – My 1st thought was we know he made a bald-face-lied, Lemurs arent in Nepal, so he cant be as trustworthy as he obviously Wants Emma to believe he is.

& last but not least lol, Doesnt the kid who plays pinocchio have very bright chestnut or Red hair? Bit of a stretch to go from ginna to dk brown dont you think.
Someone put up Bae & Pinocchio photos with August’s & he looks Nothing like Pinocchio at all, if anything it gives credence to the August is Bae camp – as the resemblance is rather solid (& Im not a big August is Bae camper either lol) 😉

[Phee]

@Surayya wrote:

The Blue fairy was very specific on this part & I will quote direct from her here “The enchantment is indeed powerful, but all power has its limits & this tree can protect only one”. For me that sums it up it can protect only one being, Not two from the curse.

So she said, yes, but does that necessarily make it the truth? I mean, technically, even if pregnant Snow had gone in that wardrobe, it would have been protecting TWO, her and the unborn Emma.

So why couldn’t they have sent Pinocchio through first, so he was waiting there to collect Emma when she came through next? If Pinocchio WAS sent, by the Blue Fairy, as a protector for Emma, it’d make sense to keep that secret. If the evil folks know there are two people attempting escape, they’ll go after both of them. If Pinocchio went through first without anyone knowing, so no one could try to stop him, then even if for some reason Emma didn’t make it, they still had Pinocchio in the new world, so it’s still a win.

And even if it WAS true that the tree could only protect one, I can still see Blue Fairy finding another way to send Pinocchio through in secret, for the reasons stated above.

Also the newspaper said 7yr old “local” boy finds ….. Not 7yr old orphan finds (for those that say Pincchino went through the same wardrobe as Emma).

That regularly gets brought up as a glitch in the theory. I reckon they could work around it though because they haven’t shown us the exact details of how it happened. We weren’t able to read the whole article to see what info it has on the boy, if his parents were interviewed and whatnot. Maybe he turned baby Emma in, said he lived somewhere nearby and then slipped away before any more questions could be asked of him. The fact we haven’t seen that whole story, means they could take it in any direction still.

Also August says “I dont lie” or words to that effect repeatedly to Emma- well he does so lie,

Exactly! Would they have gone to great pains to have him insist he DOESN’T lie, then say, “BTW that scene where he talks about the lemurs, something in there was a hint to his identity,” if we weren’t supposed to notice that he’s a liar? To me, that scene just proved he’s a liar, which was a key plot point in Pinocchio’s story.

It’s interesting to see how different people interpret all the different aspects of this show. One scene that proves something to one person proves the exact opposite to someone else. LOL Keeps everyone on their toes and creates confusion. I like it. 😉

& last but not least lol, Doesnt the kid who plays pinocchio have very bright chestnut or Red hair? Bit of a stretch to go from ginna to dk brown dont you think.
Someone put up Bae & Pinocchio photos with August’s & he looks Nothing like Pinocchio at all, if anything it gives credence to the August is Bae camp – as the resemblance is rather solid (& Im not a big August is Bae camper either lol) 😉

That’s why a lot of people write off the Pinocchio theory, coz he’s got the wrong coloured hair and eyes. Though he’s still got the wrong colour eyes to be Bae too. Actually, according to the Once Wiki I just looked up, Pinocchio has blue eyes, like August, but I’m sure in all the discussion about it, I’ve seen people say that Pinocchio has green eyes, which is why he can’t be August. Anyway, Bae’s eyes are brown, and August’s are most definitely blue, so basically, neither kid has the right colour eyes.

[surayya]

Lol Phee, it is hard case how we can all read totally different meanings in to exactly the same images 😉

@Phee wrote:

So she said, yes, but does that necessarily make it the truth? I mean, technically, even if pregnant Snow had gone in that wardrobe, it would have been protecting TWO, her and the unborn Emma.

So why couldn’t they have sent Pinocchio through first, so he was waiting there to collect Emma when she came through next? If Pinocchio WAS sent, by the Blue Fairy, as a protector for Emma, it’d make sense to keep that secret. If the evil folks know there are two people attempting escape, they’ll go after both of them. If Pinocchio went through first without anyone knowing, so no one could try to stop him, then even if for some reason Emma didn’t make it, they still had Pinocchio in the new world, so it’s still a win.

And even if it WAS true that the tree could only protect one, I can still see Blue Fairy finding another way to send Pinocchio through in secret, for the reasons stated above.

IMO Yes they do have to stick to the rules they’ve taken the time to state clearly, repeatedly & have set up for the show, otherwise there’s simply no point what so ever to the curse or even the show ie. The blue fairy has been shown as an uber ‘good guy’ helping the FTL folk in one way or another, yet she suddenly becomes a ‘bad guy’ & lies about something so important (saving everyone) to everyone who trusts her?
Aside from not adding up (she is after all, shown as the head nun in SB) that is a poor reason to have another go through imo 😉
If they have managed to protect another from the curse then it had better be more creative than a super good guy turning into a lier for their own agenda, yet maintaining a super good guy SB persona :/
Also why on earth send a child through the wardrobe to watch over Emma, its not like a kid can keep a baby safe & protect it. Wouldnt you send a teenager or young adult through for that job, so they could then teach, train or help her.
Its also hardly a big deal sending the savior through if others can go as well (if they start breaking fundamental rules like that which set the situation up in SB, then I’ll be another who wont bother the with the show anymore as every other rule they’ve set up, like the curse itself, will become moot if rules we’ve been told (repeatedly – remember snow & charming kept reminding us before & after the birth ‘only one can go through’), is really just lies & people can leave SB, people do show up in SB, nothing bad actually happens when they leave, its all just coincidence & so on).

Im not going to go into the whole ‘is a baby considered a being in of itself while still inside its mother’ debate (thats a massive kettle of worms & not really for this forum), but Im going to say that I think the writers/producers of the show went with, that until the baby was born it was part of its mother & so not an independent, single, entity/being (ie it couldnt survive outside of its mother)- I just assumed everyone had thought that as its the only logical answer to sending an unborn child through 😉 lol.

Personally for August, I actually liked the PP theory (bt since thats been shot down, I dont really have a preferance for August being someone As long as its plausible & makes sense! lol)

The only situation I have seen that could indeed support the Pinocchio (or indeed anyone else from FTL using the wardrobe) theory (I admit I think this version is VERY cleaver & I would probably except it entirely if not for the 2 instead of 1 going through thing) is : Re the Blue Fairy speech – she said PROTECT, she didn’t say CARRY? Maybe the tree could carry more than one across but only protect one person from the curse and what if Pinocchio screwed that up, so Emma didn’t get protected from the curse but Pinocchio did, and that was why Emma had such bad luck in her life and was in a constant rut.

IMO all the usage of the wardrobe in how another got to reality feels like trying to squeeze a square peg through a round hole & is just trying to make August fit into pinocchino lol, but like I say thats just my opinion.

I did think the Bae/tree/puppet/ blue fairy theory was interesting & had merit tho 😉

[angiebelle]

But the thing is Pinocchio is the *only* character with a logical explanation for how he might have ended up in our world, even if it means there were loopholes. The other theories have characters who haven’t been presented with any option at all.

[hjbau]

Also there is no reason to send Pinocchio through the wardrobe. It is only important that Emma go through. No one else can do what Emma is going to do by saving everyone.

I also agree that saying after the fact that the wardrobe can in fact carry two people changes one of the things there were stated at the beginning as true and they shouldn’t do that. They do need to be consistent. And as i said it makes a lot of characters look bad if they are all lying to each other about what they are doing.

[Slurpeez]

I don’t really know if August Wayne Booth is Pinocchio, Bae, or someone else entirely. However, I think there are road signs that could be read in multiple ways. I’ve already suggested that the reference to shin splints makes a lot of sense for either character. (Bae could’ve had an old leg injury, or Pinocchio could have had a wooden leg). The fact that the writers’ purposefully created a character who made a speech about driving everyone crazy guessing his identity and agenda is good writing. I maintain that his name Wayne Booth is a reference to the literary critic who coined the phrase “unreliable narrator.” It makes me think that this character is a symbol of the creators of the show, who may also try to throw us for a loop. They make us sympathize will villains like Regina and Rumple. They cause the heroes like Snow White to have a some darkness in her and David to look like a cheating, lying dork. These are not typical fairy tales where the lines of good and evil are clearly black in white. The writers can do anything they like and still make us ask for more.

Has anyone else considered that Rumple could have transformed Pinocchio back into a puppet after he’d been turned into a real boy by the Blue Fairy? We’ve already seen how Rumple gave the potion to Jimminy in order to change his parents into puppets. However, Geppetto’s parents we turned by mistake. If puppet Pinocchio were made of enchanted wood, that could explain how Pinocchio could have been transported to the real world without having to go through the wardrobe. That could also explain why Pinocchio would want revenge against Mr. Gold in SB, as hinted at by the promo and summary description for episode 19. Also, regarding the hair color discontinuity, it’d be simple enough for August to color his hair brown to conceal his identity (after all, red hair is a dead give-away).

Based on the title of episode 19, it could be that the character is Bae who’ll return to SB next week. I think it’s harder to explain how Bae could still be alive centuries after we last saw him than it is to explain how Pinocchio could have made it to our world. Maybe Bae was a lost boy coming back from Neverland, but then, we don’t know for sure about copyright issues surrounding Peter Pan. Nevertheless, that fact that his hair color is similar is interesting to note, as well as the idea that he knows about FTL because he himself comes from there. The photos from episode 19 of August having a drawing of the dagger indicate he knows about it. That also lends credence to the idea that this is Rumple's son who has come back to try and help his dad, Mr. Gold.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[surayya]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Has anyone else considered that Rumple could have transformed Pinocchio back into a puppet after he’d been turned into a real boy by the Blue Fairy? We’ve already seen how Rumple gave the potion to Jimminy in order to change his parents into puppets. However, Geppetto’s parents we turned by mistake. If puppet Pinocchio were made of enchanted wood, that could explain how Pinocchio could have been transported to the real world without having to go through the wardrobe. Also, regarding the hair color discontinuity, it’d be simple enough for August to color his hair brown to conceal his identity (after all, red hair is a dead give-away).

Rumple was locked up in the dwarf prison/cage & Pinocchino was with Geppetto both in the room when the Blue Fairy arrived with the enchanted tree & was with Geppetto while making the wardrobe. So I gonna go with unlikely on that one 😉

I used to think August = Peter Pan, but it seems they indeed havent got the rights to use it, so now I dont know – none of the other options make logical sense as yet (at least if he had been PP, they could have said- well he was in our world already when the curse hit & couldnt go back so grew up here instead, being PP he kept looking for adventure & eventually found SB. He knew all the people from FTL but they didnt know him or FTL & he couldnt break the curse so didnt hang around, until Emma shows up & he feels a pull- that makes perfect sense to me without breaking their already established (& Rammed down our throats) rules lol.

It would be nice if one of the other options was as cut n dried rule wise – although I suppose if he was indeed the author as some say then he wouldnt need protecting from the curse. Some one posted a link (not sure where now) about a kid that found a magic booth which let him travel from reality to a bunch of FT worlds, where he did lots of stuff including save a princess, which I thought was interesting as well, but doubt its correct in August’s case as the EP have already said at paleyfest that one of the theories going around back then was correct- I think they where PP, Pinocchino, Bae or the author of the book from memory. Its entirely doubtful its PP, to many problems to be pino without screwing over the shows frame work, Bae is a possibility if they get REAL creative – Ive seen some pretty decent theories pop up over the last wk tho lol & the author, well I cant really think how he would know about FTL or have skipped the curse if from FTL but again its entirely possible if they get creative lol 😉

The dagger thing has me in 2 minds – yep it could give credence to him being Bae or rule it by if he was Bae he's already seen the dagger & since it would be uber important to him, its unlikely he'd need a pic to help search/ find it again.
I totally agree with you on the writers doing an AWESOME job with this- no one has yet come up with a totally sound, fool proof who & how (that Ive seen anyways lol).

I think I’ll probably wait for the next ep & enjoy the revelation (if it comes 😉 ) & until then enjoy reading/hearing everyone’s ideas & theories on who he is & why, someone may come up with a bang on version of why & how he is pino, bae or the author yet- will certainly help fill in the next 2 & 1/2wks for sure 🙂
A bunch of my mates & I are having a OUaT marathon tomorrow & Sun since we have Easter holidays & are not competing this yr, so maybe we’ll get lucky & figure something out now we have hindsight lol 😀

[Phee]

@Surayya wrote:

Lol Phee, it is hard case how we can all read totally different meanings in to exactly the same images

It’d be a terribly boring world if everyone saw everything in exactly the same way. 😉

@Surayya wrote:

The blue fairy has been shown as an uber ‘good guy’ helping the FTL folk in one way or another, yet she suddenly becomes a ‘bad guy’ & lies about something so important (saving everyone) to everyone who trusts her?

I think she’s been shown to be a character who will do what needs to be done, even if it won’t win her friends. She had no qualms about stomping on Nova and Dreamy’s love with all the talk about how it simply COULD NOT happen, there’s just no way because it’s not the way the world works and she wasn’t ever gonna budge on that opinion, no matter how heartbroken they’d be, they just had to suck it up and get over it.

Much like she told Snow and Charming they’d have to suck it up and get over it that they’d be separated for 28 years. In the end, it’d all work out, and they’d be together again, and their separation was ultimately a temporary sacrifice for the good of ALL. If Blue Fairy did something to send Pinicchio with Emma, I believe that would have been her same line of thinking. She had to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes right now, so that the plan would work out in the long term. If she didn’t pull the wool over their eyes, the plan may fail and they’d all be doomed in the long run.

@Surayya wrote:

Also why on earth send a child through the wardrobe to watch over Emma, its not like a kid can keep a baby safe & protect it. Wouldnt you send a teenager or young adult through for that job, so they could then teach, train or help her.

That is definitely a fair point. Though I posted in another thread today that the wardrobe only looked child size, but yes, someone a bit older than Pinocchio could have squished in there. Would you accept the superficial reasoning that they had to be close in age so that they could cast a hottie for Emma to potentially hook up with when they were adults and they could become the next gen supercouple of the show? LOL

@Surayya wrote:

Its also hardly a big deal sending the savior through if others can go as well (if they start breaking fundamental rules like that which set the situation up in SB, then I’ll be another who wont bother the with the show anymore as every other rule they’ve set up, like the curse itself, will become moot if rules we’ve been told (repeatedly – remember snow & charming kept reminding us before & after the birth ‘only one can go through’), is really just lies

I don’t think Pinocchio being sent as a protector, who has grown into August who is the motivator, takes anything away from Emma being the saviour. If the most important person in the equation were August, then he’d be running around breaking the curse on his own right now. Instead, he’s dropping hints and guiding Emma towards clues that will hopefully help her believe, because if she doesn’t, then the curse won’t break. It still all comes down to her. And really, without August starting to give her little nudges in the right direction, she’d kinda be a lost cause as the saviour right now. I think it’s reasonable that Blue Fairy suspected that that would be the case, and that Emma would need help if she was ever gonna believe and save them all. I don’t think that would take anything away from the integrity of the basis of the show.

@Surayya wrote:

Im not going to go into the whole ‘is a baby considered a being in of itself while still inside its mother’ debate (thats a massive kettle of worms & not really for this forum),

Now you mention it, I guess it can be a contentious issue, oops. That particular debate never occured to me, just coz we’re dealing with a very late term pregnancy in this case, not a woman who was newly preggo, which, yeah, people can take some serious sides on that issue. Not a debate I intended to raise at all. 😕

@Surayya wrote:

I dont really have a preferance for August being someone As long as its plausible & makes sense! lol)

Obviously I’m quite definitely on a particular team on this matter. LOL That said, if he’s NOT Pinocchio, I’ll be totally fine with whoever he IS, like you say, as long as they make it plausible. IMO, Pinocchio is the most plausible theory, but if they show me something different in a believable way, I’ll totally buy it.

[Phee]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

The fact that the writers’ purposefully created a character who made a speech about driving everyone crazy guessing his identity and agenda is good writing.

They’d be loving that everyone is getting worked up about this issue. LOL *poking my tongue out at Adam and Eddy in case they lurk by* Well played, gentlemen. 😛

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I maintain that his name Wayne Booth is a reference to the literary critic who coined the phrase “unreliable narrator.” It makes me think that this character is a symbol of the creators of the show, who may also try to throw us for a loop.

It’d be one helluva coincidence if that’s not where they got his name from. I think the “unreliable narrator” bit plays into his character quite nicely with the fact that he altered the book, which tells the stories that the show is based on. I also wonder if they used the name August because the Brothers Grimm had a close friend who helped them with collecting their stories, and his name was August von Somethingorother. That totally fits for a character who’s had something to do with writing the book of fairytales.

[Slurpeez]

Surayya wrote:Rumple was locked up in the dwarf prison/cage & Pinocchino was with Geppetto both in the room when the Blue Fairy arrived with the enchanted tree & was with Geppetto while making the wardrobe. So I gonna go with unlikely on that one 😉

For all we know, Rumple was still imprisoned when the dark curse was unleashed. Still, it could be that Rumple gave Geppetto the potion either in advance of being imprisoned or while in prison. Perhaps Geppetto sought him out wanting to protect his boy, Pinocchio. Also, even though we saw Geppetto and Pinocchio making the wardrobe, Geppetto could have insisted Pinocchio drink the potion at the last moment to transport him out of FTL just before the curse hit.

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