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@jondavidcarroll wrote:
Wow… I think you may have nailed it. I also saw Tin Man’s oil can on one of Gold’s shelves in episode 1×16 Heart of Darkness.
Oh, really? 😮 I must have missed it! Good catch! Ugh! Please let him be Oz.
[adrotate group="5"]@mujie I think the curse just affects people differently. The whole point of it is to take away everyone’s happy endings, and everyone’s happy ending is different.
Why wouldn’t the Wizard of Oz remember who he was? Regina remembers because she enacted the curse. Jefferson remembers because if he didn’t he’d be another rich, single guy living it up in a huge house. Rumple/Gold remembers because if he didn’t he’d also be another mean, rich guy living it up from “owning” the town. With their memories, they’re all just as miserable as everyone else. That could be part of the Wizard’s curse: To remember everything and not be able to find his own way home. It could be the reason he just came to town out of nowhere.
This is an amazing theory! ….I sadly have one flaw….
This could be interpreted as two powerful sorcerers battling off to see who is the most powerful.
The Wizard of Oz was an ordinary man. He was a liar, cowardly hiding behind a mask that only made him appear powerful. Like Dorothy he was born in Kansas, and was brought to Oz by a runaway hot air balloon. In the end he offers to take Dorothy home in the same balloon, leaving the Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Lion in charge of the Emerald City. But the writers have tweaked stories. They could have him get actual magic somehow.
@Lissy wrote:
This is an amazing theory! ….I sadly have one flaw….
This could be interpreted as two powerful sorcerers battling off to see who is the most powerful.
The Wizard of Oz was an ordinary man. He was a liar, cowardly hiding behind a mask that only made him appear powerful. Like Dorothy he was born in Kansas, and was brought to Oz by a runaway hot air balloon. In the end he offers to take Dorothy home in the same balloon, leaving the Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Lion in charge of the Emerald City. But the writers have tweaked stories. They could have him get actual magic somehow.
I was kind of hoping that the writers would tweak the story a little bit and give Oz actual powers. This show tends to throw a lot of curve balls at us. 😀
Giving the Wizard actual powers wouldn’t work in the context of the original Oz story…the fact that he is in real life a “humbug” is a major plot point in the book.
@AngieBelle wrote:
Giving the Wizard actual powers wouldn’t work in the context of the original Oz story…the fact that he is in real life a “humbug” is a major plot point in the book.
Once again, the writers always change the original stories. ALWAYS. None of the characters on this show are like their original Grimm persona. The writers always tweak them to make them fit into the show. 😉
@Dorothy wrote:
@mujie I think the curse just affects people differently. The whole point of it is to take away everyone’s happy endings, and everyone’s happy ending is different.
Why wouldn’t the Wizard of Oz remember who he was? Regina remembers because she enacted the curse. Jefferson remembers because if he didn’t he’d be another rich, single guy living it up in a huge house. Rumple/Gold remembers because if he didn’t he’d also be another mean, rich guy living it up from “owning” the town. With their memories, they’re all just as miserable as everyone else. That could be part of the Wizard’s curse: To remember everything and not be able to find his own way home. It could be the reason he just came to town out of nowhere.
Regina wanted to control everything. The Dark Curse takes the bidding of that who enacts it. Yet why would Regina really want to put Oz through that? Why would she do that to Oz? I’d think it more likely to do that to the Queen of Hearts. The rules of Storybrooke seem to be that you keep your last personality from your previous life. The Mad Hatter was lost, and he stayed lost, 8 episodes after August appeared. He was still in Storybrooke. If August was lost, he would stay lost.
The glitch to me would be that as of right now, I don’t believe that people from worlds other than Fairytale were transported to our world, (I think Jefferson made it back to Fairytale somehow before the curse hit, and doubt that anyone else from Wonderland is in Storybrooke).
I suppose August could have traveled through some portal like the hat as we did clearly see the doorway to Oz in there, but why would the Wizard have the emotional connection to Emma and Storybrooke that August has? What motivation would he have had to go there? What would he get out of it if Emma breaks the curse?
Also, I think that they’ve got so much FTL and Storybrooke centric storyline to cram into the last 4 eps, that introducing a whole new world at this point would be a distraction. They’ve got some great momentum going and cutting into that with a divertion to show us a new world and his whole separate life there wouldn’t be the smartest storytelling at this point in time.
There’s no doubt that there are a bunch of little hints that suggest an Oz connection which have been pointed out in this thread, so if they could somehow make it work, I’m sure they could make it believable. I just don’t think they have enough time to do it properly with the time they have left in season 1 though, and I think that when they DO take us to Oz at some point, they’ll want to take the time to do it justice.
Nothing in spoilers suggests that we'll be taking time out to go visit Oz this season. Ep 19: we're going back to see Rumple and Bae in FTL. Ep 20: we're going to see Pinocchio and Geppetto in FTL. Ep 21 we don't have all the details yet, but given the title it's safe to say we're spending that ep in FTL to see how Regina poisoned Snow with the apple. Then we're at the season finale, and they'll have plenty going on there already without being able to focus on introducing a whole new land in that ep.
@mujie wrote:
@Dorothy wrote:
@mujie I think the curse just affects people differently. The whole point of it is to take away everyone’s happy endings, and everyone’s happy ending is different.
Why wouldn’t the Wizard of Oz remember who he was? Regina remembers because she enacted the curse. Jefferson remembers because if he didn’t he’d be another rich, single guy living it up in a huge house. Rumple/Gold remembers because if he didn’t he’d also be another mean, rich guy living it up from “owning” the town. With their memories, they’re all just as miserable as everyone else. That could be part of the Wizard’s curse: To remember everything and not be able to find his own way home. It could be the reason he just came to town out of nowhere.
Regina wanted to control everything. The Dark Curse takes the bidding of that who enacts it. Yet why would Regina really want to put Oz through that? Why would she do that to Oz? I’d think it more likely to do that to the Queen of Hearts. The rules of Storybrooke seem to be that you keep your last personality from your previous life. The Mad Hatter was lost, and he stayed lost, 8 episodes after August appeared. He was still in Storybrooke. If August was lost, he would stay lost.
Because she’s the Evil Queen! 😆 She does evil things. It’s in her name! 😆
And no, you don’t always keep your same personality if you remember. Mr. Gold is the eprfect example. Even though both of his personas are evil, his characterization is COMPLETELY different.
August came into town with an agenda and with full awareness that the book exists. He road into town with an old fashioned typewriter strapped to his bike which I believe he intended to use to makes changes to the book. How does August know about the book and why would his character want to change it? How would making changes to the book further the agenda of say Pinocchio, The Wizard of Oz, Bae, or Peter Pan?
When broken down, his names’ meanings are:
August: “lordly” or “venerated.”
Wayne: “wagon / cart builder or driver”. I also think of the word WANE: to decrease in strength, intensity 2. to decline in power, importance, prosperity,
Booth: Herald / From the Market Stall / typical dwelling place of a cowherd or shepherd / Herdsman
What does his name tell us and does it somehow tie into Pinocchio, The Wizard of Oz, Bae, or Peter Pan?
I just keeping thinking….
On a side note, I would not care much for August being Pinocchio, but it keeps pointing in that direction (BOOOOO). In the Grimm’s version of Pinocchio, Pinocchio’s leg gets hurt when he is a donkey, that is how he gets cast into the sea.
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