August is the Wizard of Oz

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@sjm wrote:

@KalliopeKisees wrote:

@hjbau wrote:

I agree. I hope that his character ends up being interesting in the end. I think that is one of the reasons i don’t like him being Pinocchio. That doesn’t seem all that interesting. And it doesn’t have anything to do with the curse or information about the curse or anything like that.

I couldn’t agree more

me too!

How could him being Pinocchio have nothing to do with the curse if there was a special plan made for him to escape the curse so that 28 years later he could come and guide Emma with information she needs to break the curse?

@AngieBelle wrote:

Gee…I love the idea of him being Pinocchio…

It gives Emma an ally- another child from fairytale world who grew up in our world, only he was old enough to remember what happened. Emma needs another adult whom she trusts to be a believer in order to believe herself.

Agreed! Emma’s never going to give in and believe if the only people who she has telling her to are a kid with an overactive imagination and some violent loon who thinks he’s the Mad Hatter. If they sent Pinocchio with Emma so that one day there’d be a man who would know about FTL, would have an unbreakable emotional tie to the place and its people to motivate him, and would be in a position to guide the saviour to break the curse, that would have been some smart planning. Even if Emma can’t take Henry or Jefferson seriously, she’s still got August there, calmly dropping breadcrumbs for her and quietly watching as she picks them up. The look of pride he had when she made progress in the last ep was so sweet. He has an emotional connection to her. I find it completely believable that that connection would come from him having known her since she was a baby and now he’s watching her fullfill her destiny, which is something he’s been waiting for since the day he met her, 28 years ago.

Personally, I think it’s very heartwarming if August and Emma were the two children sent away from FTL into our big, bad, strange new world all those years ago, entrusted with this destiny, and now they’ve found each other again and are working together to save all their family and friends.

@EnchantedOne wrote:

Again I can’t get over his liscense plate being from Kansas…and the year 1984 on it is when the curse was innacted

As was discussed on the previous page, the song Carry On Wayward Son, which is one of the best known songs from the band Kansas, was on their 1984 best of album. I looked up the album info and it’s actually the first track on the album. I know I’m looking at everything through Pinocchio coloured glasses right now, but that song instantly screamed Pinocchio to me. He could quite literally (and we know that August likes finding his answers in a literary form) be the embodiment of the wayward son.

[midnight dreary]

If August is Pinocchio, I hope the writers give us a decent explanation as to why August and Pinocchio looking nothing alike. Pinocchio has red hair, brown eyes, pale skin and freckles. And August…doesn’t. I feel like there’s so much evidence pointing to him being Pinocchio, but then there’s one big flaw that just tears the entire theory apart.

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My current thinking on that is that perhaps August has been to Storybrooke before, and didn’t want to be instantly recognisable this time to certain people. If last time he was a freckle faced redhead, then dying his hair brown and covering his face with stubble would be a simple disguise of sorts. Perhaps that’s why Regina thinks he seems familiar, because she has seen him in town before, but can’t pinpoint him because he looks different now.

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The look of pride he had when she made progress in the last ep was so sweet. He has an emotional connection to her. I find it completely believable that that connection would come from him having known her since she was a baby and now he’s watching her fullfill her destiny, which is something he’s been waiting for since the day he met her, 28 years ago.

Yep. My thoughts too 😀 . Plus they would have both grown up with out family.

Did you also notice the how hurt he was when she accused him of betraying her.

I think he looks at her with reverence because he knows how important she is.

I’ve thought Pinocchio for for a while now. I’m not so emotionally invested in the theory that it will ruin the show for me if it’s not though, but of all the theories, Pinocchio is still my favorite.

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@Pandora’s Imp wrote:

Did you also notice the how hurt he was when she accused him of betraying her.

Yes! Assuming this is actually what their relationship will end up being, where he’s known her her whole life, it makes that scene extra sad because clearly it’s a one sided relationship. When he says that he hoped she’d have enough faith to trust him, well he must realise at the same time, why should she? There’s no way she could have the same faith in him that he has in her, because she doesn’t know him like he knows her. The one person in this world who is the same as him, a runaway fairytale kid, and even though they’re together now, they’re both still alone. If Emma discovers who he is, and his life story, she’d realise that she’s not the only one who has felt alone in this world for their whole life, and that shared history could really bring about some wonderful character development for Emma, if she finds out and accepts who they both are.

I don’t know that the Emma/August interactions and friendship could potentially have an affect on the progress of her character like that if he’s anyone other than Pinocchio, because I can’t think off the top of my head how they could build that kind of connection between Emma and any other character at this point in the story. Why would she feel any real sense of comraderie with him if he’s Mr Gold’s son, for example? She’s no fan of Mr Gold, so why would she particularly care if August reckons he’s his son? What’s that to her? How would that make her believe? But if August can show her they have a shared history and tells her that it’s now or never and she’s gotta have a little faith for the first time in her life, that would provide a significant turning point for her character.

Emma and Pinocchio in our world would kind of harken back to how Emma’s parents would tell each other that they’d always find each other. If it was Pinocchio’s job to find Emma when she came through from FTL right after him, and now 28 years later he’s found her again and this time is helping her to find herself, it’d carry on the theme from her parents of always being destined to be drawn back together. GAH, now I’ve practically gone and married Emma and August off in my head. LOL If that happens one day, I totally called it, OK. 😛

Anyway, basically, the point of all my blabbing is that I can see great potential for the advancement of the overall story and also Emma’s personal development if he ends up being Pinocchio, which is why I’m totally on the Pinocchio bandwagon and don’t really get why people think it’d be a bad reveal if that’s who he is.

[the wiz]

Of course August is Pinocchio without question — because Pinocchio:

— was destined to become a writer and was coached by Jiminy Crickett to develop his voice and viewpoint, not a conscience
— pursued his continual fascination with the magical properties of water (following his search for Gepetto inside the whale)
— acquired lots of masculine imagery (bike, leather jacket, etc) to attract babes (i.e. the Blue Fairy)
— got put on display for being a puppet without strings while biking around temples in Nepal
— showed a keen sense of how fairy tales really happened while he was impounded on the island where boys turn into donkeys

You would not believe how long my nose grew while I wrote this! 😆

[midnight dreary]

@the wiz wrote:

Of course August is Pinocchio without question — because Pinocchio:

— was destined to become a writer and was coached by Jiminy Crickett to develop his voice and viewpoint, not a conscience
— pursued his continual fascination with the magical properties of water (following his search for Gepetto inside the whale)
— acquired lots of masculine imagery (bike, leather jacket, etc) to attract babes (i.e. the Blue Fairy)
— got put on display for being a puppet without strings while biking around temples in Nepal
— showed a keen sense of how fairy tales really happened while he was impounded on the island where boys turn into donkeys

You would not believe how long my nose grew while I wrote this! 😆

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

[mujie]

Ok, let’s entertain the idea that August is Pinnocchio, then. When Jiminy Cricket came to our world, he returned to his original form, (i.e. human). If Pinnocchio’s original form was a puppet, he would be a puppet in this world (assuming it’s not Rumplestiltskin who turned him into a human, which I doubt, because did anything really go on? So no one argue about Gepatto’s parents!). So I believe he wasn’t a puppet at the beginning.

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@the wiz wrote:

You would not believe how long my nose grew while I wrote this! 😆

Ah, so THAT’S why you don’t believe he’s Pinocchio, because YOU are. 😛 😉

Though on the water thing, spoiler pics suggest that puppetPinocchio will wash up on the lakeshore where Geppetto finds him & while he's holding him, that's the moment he's turned into a real boy, so I can totally see August's views on water being a powerful, magical force stemming from that moment.

@mujie wrote:

Ok, let’s entertain the idea that August is Pinnocchio, then. When Jiminy Cricket came to our world, he returned to his original form, (i.e. human). If Pinnocchio’s original form was a puppet, he would be a puppet in this world (assuming it’s not Rumplestiltskin who turned him into a human, which I doubt, because did anything really go on? So no one argue about Gepatto’s parents!). So I believe he wasn’t a puppet at the beginning.

If August is Pinocchio, it means he escaped the curse, so all the curse rules like reversion to a previous form, non-ageing, loss of identity, August would have been immune to all that, (unless for some reason he had to become a puppet again to travel to our world, in which case he changed forms twice in that process, but I’m not sold on that theory).

[the wiz]

I’m thinking that August escaped the curse because he’s not been born yet in FTL, just like Henry is unborn since this mother is still an infant there. I’m imagining that FTL is currently asleep like when the field of poppies put all of Oz to sleep or when Malificent put the kingdom of Princess Aurora to sleep.

So Emma, Henry and August have not become as old as they are in SB because nothing is changing in FTL until the curse is broken. Having escaped the curse, that trio can break the curse in FTL and SB. I suspect that will require all three coming into their individual powers fully, much Dorothy’s companions did to cross the drawbridge into the Wicked Witch’s castle in Oz.

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