Belle

[autumn]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Here’s another quote from Emilie!

Emilie: “Belle will likely not try to change Rumple, but bring out the lightness in him – the part only she seems to know exists within him. She is in love with him for his tortured soul and what she sees inside him. She will be perhaps less predicatable and a little darker: the effect of living with the darker character that is Rumple.”

Hello everyone!

I’m new around here and I’ve been reading this threat and loving it. I’m a big Rumple/Belle fan, so…

Anyway, I loved this quote. First of all, I really like Emily’s portrait of Belle. I couldn’t think of a better choice for that character. She’s my favorite female character in the show for many reasons. And that’s a tough choice in a show with such wonderful female characters!

She was very sweet and optmistic and she was basically a soul made of pure light. She certainly was the light that Rumple always lacked in his life. She blinded him. He said it himself: she was a brief flicker of light in his dark life.

And let’s consider one thing: I don’t think she had an easy life before Rumple. I mean, she was living a war and for what we can see, her father’s castle was under siege. She must’ve been scared but she was strong and she hoped for the best. So I think she has a very strong soul. Some might say she was all happy, giggly and optimistic because she was a princess and nothing bad had ever happened to her. I don’t think so. She was a person made of light because that was her nature. Despite of how hard life was, how dangerous, she was an optimistic.

So, I can see why she could survive her relationship with Rumple. I’ve noticed something: every time someone goes to him to ask for a deal, he explains things to them. They agree, they make the deal, he does his job… and when time comes for people to pay back, they are always unhappy, trying to get out of the deal and not fulfilling their part.

When Belle arrived in the castle, he told her what her chores would be. I kind of think he was expecting her to start complaining as everyone did with her part of the bargain. She didn’t. She knew she had accepted the deal and she was going to make her part. And I think that surprised him. I think she earned some respect from him.

She lived with him for two months and she brought light into his castle (I can see that metaphor when she takes down the curtains) and light into his life. She always has a smile or a gentle word for him. I don’t think that had ever happened to him before. He was surprised… and through kindness she tamed the beast.

Now, after all that happened afterwards and the fact she ended up being locked away for 28+ years, when her only sin was to love Rumplestiltskin, I can imagine she’d be shattered. I can imagine she was sad, confused, hurt. And of course that would make her darker. It’s hard to be all happy, giggly and optimistic when locked up in a dungeon like that.

But her soul is made of light. And eventually I think she’s going to go back to that. Because now that she’s going to be with Mr. Gold, he’s going to need that light. Or as Emily say, he’s going to need her to bright out the lightness within him. While searching for Bae, Belle needs to be “the part of him that keeps him human”. She always wanted to be a hero, well… I think this would be her ultimate quest.

So yeah… I think Belle will have to fight to keep her light shinning, for him. But in the end I truly believe she’s going to be his redemption and his salvation.

Anyway… I’m sorry for the long message. I just get very excited when analyzing these two characters I like so much. And thanks for having me in the forum! And I apologize for the mistakes in this text, for English is not my mother language. 😛

Have a nice day everyone! 🙂

[autumn]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Here’s another quote from Emilie!

Emilie: “Belle will likely not try to change Rumple, but bring out the lightness in him – the part only she seems to know exists within him. She is in love with him for his tortured soul and what she sees inside him. She will be perhaps less predicatable and a little darker: the effect of living with the darker character that is Rumple.”

Hello everyone!

I’m new around here and I’ve been reading this threat and loving it. I’m a big Rumple/Belle fan, so…

Anyway, I loved this quote. First of all, I really like Emily’s portrait of Belle. I couldn’t think of a better choice for that character. She’s my favorite female character in the show for many reasons. And that’s a tough choice in a show with such wonderful female characters!

She was very sweet and optmistic and she was basically a soul made of pure light. She certainly was the light that Rumple always lacked in his life. She blinded him. He said it himself: she was a brief flicker of light in his dark life.

And let’s consider one thing: I don’t think she had an easy life before Rumple. I mean, she was living a war and for what we can see, her father’s castle was under siege. She must’ve been scared but she was strong and she hoped for the best. So I think she has a very strong soul. Some might say she was all happy, giggly and optimistic because she was a princess and nothing bad had ever happened to her. I don’t think so. She was a person made of light because that was her nature. Despite of how hard life was, how dangerous, she was an optimistic.

So, I can see why she could survive her relationship with Rumple. I’ve noticed something: every time someone goes to him to ask for a deal, he explains things to them. They agree, they make the deal, he does his job… and when time comes for people to pay back, they are always unhappy, trying to get out of the deal and not fulfilling their part.

When Belle arrived in the castle, he told her what her chores would be. I kind of think he was expecting her to start complaining as everyone did with her part of the bargain. She didn’t. She knew she had accepted the deal and she was going to make her part. And I think that surprised him. I think she earned some respect from him.

She lived with him for two months and she brought light into his castle (I can see that metaphor when she takes down the curtains) and light into his life. She always has a smile or a gentle word for him. I don’t think that had ever happened to him before. He was surprised… and through kindness she tamed the beast.

Now, after all that happened afterwards and the fact she ended up being locked away for 28+ years, when her only sin was to love Rumplestiltskin, I can imagine she’d be shattered. I can imagine she was sad, confused, hurt. And of course that would make her darker. It’s hard to be all happy, giggly and optimistic when locked up in a dungeon like that.

But her soul is made of light. And eventually I think she’s going to go back to that. Because now that she’s going to be with Mr. Gold, he’s going to need that light. Or as Emily say, he’s going to need her to bright out the lightness within him. While searching for Bae, Belle needs to be “the part of him that keeps him human”. She always wanted to be a hero, well… I think this would be her ultimate quest.

So yeah… I think Belle will have to fight to keep her light shinning, for him. But in the end I truly believe she’s going to be his redemption and his salvation.

Anyway… I’m sorry for the long message. I just get very excited when analyzing these two characters I like so much. And thanks for having me in the forum! And I apologize for the mistakes in this text, for English is not my mother language. 😛

Have a nice day everyone! 🙂

[autumn]

Guys, I apologize: my computer was acting funny and my previous message was posted twice. 🙁

[obisgirl]

Welcome Autumn 🙂

[autumn]

Thank you, obisgirl. I’m glad to be here. 🙂

I was watching “The Return” tonight and I noticed two things that made me think.

First, Mr. Gold has Bae’s ball and he keeps it in his shop. He keeps it in what I think is like a special display, but still in the shop. While he keeps Belle’s chipped cup in his home, closer to him. Of course Bae is special for him, everything he’s been doing has been for Bae. But I think the fact he keeps the cup in the safety of his home shows how much Belle really means to him.

And second, I noticed the way Rumplestiltskin treats his maid Onora. She acts very shy and nervous around him and then he dismisses her waving his hand, ordering her to go away. Of course, he was worried about her overhearing all the dagger thing. But still, I don’t think he ever treated Belle that way. Belle was the queen of the castle. She could just go and sit on his table and everything was alright. I have the feeling he didn’t want Belle to be his caretaker. Sometimes I believe he saw she was in danger living in his father’s castle, what with war and all, and that she was alone, trapped, ignored and maybe he genuinely wanted to help her, to set her free. I don’t know… just a random thought.

Anyway, have a great weekend everyone! 🙂

[PriceofMagic]

@Autumn wrote:

I was watching “The Return” tonight and I noticed two things that made me think.

First, Mr. Gold has Bae’s ball and he keeps it in his shop. He keeps it in what I think is like a special display, but still in the shop. While he keeps Belle’s chipped cup in his home, closer to him. Of course Bae is special for him, everything he’s been doing has been for Bae. But I think the fact he keeps the cup in the safety of his home shows how much Belle really means to him.

Mr Gold does seem to spend more time in his shop, though that is an interesting point you brought up. I think Bae’s ball is a reminder for Rumple of why he’s done the things he’s done and why he has to play the “making a deal with the devil” facade. It’s almost like his “business” side. Whereas in the privacy of his own home, he can openly mourn for his lost love and let his softer side out, the side that nobody else gets to see.

@Autumn wrote:

And second, I noticed the way Rumplestiltskin treats his maid Onora. She acts very shy and nervous around him and then he dismisses her waving his hand, ordering her to go away. Of course, he was worried about her overhearing all the dagger thing. But still, I don’t think he ever treated Belle that way. Belle was the queen of the castle. She could just go and sit on his table and everything was alright. I have the feeling he didn’t want Belle to be his caretaker. Sometimes I believe he saw she was in danger living in his father’s castle, what with war and all, and that she was alone, trapped, ignored and maybe he genuinely wanted to help her, to set her free. I don’t know… just a random thought.

I think Rumple did originally want Belle as a caretaker, for the reason that he was lonely. He didn’t set out to fall in love with Belle, he only wanted some sort of companionship, and it confused and scared him when he did develop feelings for her. A difference between Belle and Onora is that Belle didn’t treat Rumple like a monster whereas Onora did and was scared of him. Belle and Rumple developed a sort of friendship where they were comfortable around each other and when he caught her after she fell off the ladder, they shared a moment, which they were both aware of because they both started acting awkwardly. They both obviously got over that awkwardness because Belle was asking Rumple about his son and Rumple felt comfortable enough to give Belle the rose.

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Keeper of Felix

[Josephine]

I also think that Rumple was much more malicious in those beginning days. He had all this power and could wield it unquestioningly. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. He went from a zero to evil. Anything that stood in his way he killed. He loved that everyone was terrified of him. A much different change from his previous life of being the town coward. Skip to centuries later and we don’t see him kill anyone, except maybe Gaston and Gepetto’s parents…oh, and the fairy which may or may not have been evil. He’s developed a code of ethics that all his deals follow, even if they don’t seem ethical to others. He doesn’t lie, misleads, but doesn’t lie, and everyone comes to him. He doesn’t seek out deals. They come to him. I think as long as he’s lived he’s at the point that if they’re stupid enough to ask for help then they can withstand the consequences. Like the old Chinese proverb “Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.”

So when he made the deal for Belle, I think he was a different version of his earlier cursed self. More set in his ways and tempered by time and experience, although still the Dark One. Living centuries will change anyone. I think he saw Belle, like the others have said, as just a caretaker. He was lonely and wanted a body in the castle. He had all this wealth and luxury and nobody to share it with until he was reunited with his son. He saw an opportunity and took it. After spending months with her, I think they became friends and he fell in love gradually. It’s funny rewatching “Skin Deep” because he’s always suprised by her, whether it’s her taking down his curtains or chasing him around his table. She was actually quite forward. And like you mentioned, Belle was never afraid of Rumple. Onora, on the other hand, was terrified of him. I think if he’d have met Belle in his first few months of the curse he’d probably have done her in, too. But she wasn’t born until centuries later so we don’t have to worry about that. 😆

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[autumn]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Mr Gold does seem to spend more time in his shop, though that is an interesting point you brought up. I think Bae’s ball is a reminder for Rumple of why he’s done the things he’s done and why he has to play the “making a deal with the devil” facade. It’s almost like his “business” side. Whereas in the privacy of his own home, he can openly mourn for his lost love and let his softer side out, the side that nobody else gets to see.

I agree with you. The ball must be some kind of compass to keep him focused an on the right direction. That certainly would explain why he keeps it in his shop. A way to keep his child’s memory close to him all day.

And it’s sweet and sad to think that he mourned Belle for so long… and she was alive. Belle was innocent; while other characters had debts with the EQ, Belle’s only sin was to fall in love with Rumplestiltskin.

I wonder how long the Queen had Belle captive before the curse.

Belle and Rumple developed a sort of friendship where they were comfortable around each other and when he caught her after she fell off the ladder, they shared a moment, which they were both aware of because they both started acting awkwardly. They both obviously got over that awkwardness because Belle was asking Rumple about his son and Rumple felt comfortable enough to give Belle the rose.

They do seem to be quite comfortable with each other. The awkward moments they have are caused by the tension between them. I agree, they know something is happening. I remember Emilie mentioning that Belle fell for him fast and hard. Do you think she was the first one to develop feelings for him and that made her be so forward, trying to get to know him better, to break his walls and get closer to him?

Belle has a very “nurturing” nature, I think. And she’s very open about her feelings. I think she’s also the kind of person who likes to touch to express her feelings. We saw it with her father and Gaston, she touches them reasuringly. And I imagine she’d go around and randomly touching Rumple’s arm or shoulder, just to express her affection or gratitude any given day in his castle. I think that amazed him.

You know, come to think of it, every time I see that scene when Belle tells Mr. Gold she loves him, and then she throws herself to hug him, I wonder when was the last time someone hugged him like that. When was the last time he had that kind of closeness with someone, that physical contact… those few seconds must’ve been heaven to him. There was Belle, surprising him as always. 🙂

[autumn]

@Josephine wrote:

It’s funny rewatching “Skin Deep” because he’s always suprised by her, whether it’s her taking down his curtains or chasing him around his table. She was actually quite forward.

That scene of Belle chasing him around the table ALWAYS makes me laugh. 😆
Always!

I just can imagine Belle chasing him like that around his castle all the time. Just the thought of it is funny. He’d be always watching his back around her. 😆

[PriceofMagic]

@Autumn wrote:

Do you think she was the first one to develop feelings for him and that made her be so forward, trying to get to know him better, to break his walls and get closer to him?

I think Belle did develop feelings for Rumple first and she certainly wasn’t complaining when Rumple caught her when she fell but I wouldn’t say she fell in love with him straightaway. She liked him enough to admit to Regina that “I might love him, I mean I could…” but she was still planning on leaving him perhaps thinking Rumple didn’t return her feelings. It was Regina who convinced her that Rumple might love her in return that made her decide to go back to him.

Belle has a very “nurturing” nature, I think. And she’s very open about her feelings. I think she’s also the kind of person who likes to touch to express her feelings. We saw it with her father and Gaston, she touches them reasuringly. And I imagine she’d go around and randomly touching Rumple’s arm or shoulder, just to express her affection or gratitude any given day in his castle. I think that amazed him.

She was only very touchy feely with Rumple after speaking to Regina. They only physical contact Rumple and Belle had before then was when he caught her when she fell and then they were awkward afterwards. Between them I think it was very much, she liked him, he liked her but neither wanted to make the first move incase they’d misread the signals. After returning to Rumple, Belle made the first move.

You know, come to think of it, every time I see that scene when Belle tells Mr. Gold she loves him, and then she throws herself to hug him, I wonder when was the last time someone hugged him like that. When was the last time he had that kind of closeness with someone, that physical contact… those few seconds must’ve been heaven to him. There was Belle, surprising him as always. 🙂

Mr Gold actually hugged her first back in the shop when she didn’t have her memory and she was confused by it all. When they were walking through the woods Gold was way in front of Belle and didn’t even look at her until she said his name. Perhaps he was embarassed that he went for the hug and Belle was all “who are you?” so he backed off from her both physically and emotionally to protect himself. When she said “I remember” he didn’t make any move towards her until she said “I love you”. After he admits he loves her and they hug, he’s the more touchy feely one in contrast to Skin Deep. He touches her face and puts his arm around her when they’re stood at the well.

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