Belle

[PriceofMagic]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Does Rumpel even need to worry being an outcast? He’s the freaking Dark One. I don’t think he really cares. 😆 He’s never shown any concern for being accepted or liked. So, I don’t think Emma and the Charmings avoiding him is going to hurt his feelings. Their relationship will probably revert back to what it was in Fairytale land. They hate Rumpel, and yet, they allow themselves to get tricked by him constantly. I’m just hoping they don’t do what Snow did in “Heart of Darkness.” Snow knew that Rumpel was bad news, and yet she asked for his help anyway. I kind of see that same naivity remaining in tact, unfortunately.

True, Rumple doesn’t care what people think of him but he does care about Belle. In Skin Deep, when Regina told Rumple Belle was dead, she made a point of telling him how Belle was shunned and how everything that happened to Belle was because of her association with him. He believed that to be true and although he now knows Regina was lying, he’s not just going to forget all about it especially if similar things start to occur such as Belle being shunned by the rest of the town because of her association with him.

[antbee]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Does Rumpel even need to worry being an outcast? He’s the freaking Dark One. I don’t think he really cares. 😆 He’s never shown any concern for being accepted or liked. So, I don’t think Emma and the Charmings avoiding him is going to hurt his feelings. Their relationship will probably revert back to what it was in Fairytale land. They hate Rumpel, and yet, they allow themselves to get tricked by him constantly. I’m just hoping they don’t do what Snow did in “Heart of Darkness.” Snow knew that Rumpel was bad news, and yet she asked for his help anyway. I kind of see that same naivity remaining in tact, unfortunately.

Good point about how they hate him, yet they’re all willing to make deals with him all the time. I hope the “good guys”, specifically the Charmings, realize that at one point that either they have to stop running to him for everything when they don’t want to get their hands dirty doing it themselves if they think he’s such a bad guy, or they’re going to have to acknowledge that yes, he’s done some pretty bad things, but realize how much he’s helped them out at times. Not that he didn’t have his own motives for helping them, but still that irritates me that even when he wasn’t involved in trying to make the “good guys” go to him, they still do, then he helps them, and then they treat him like dirt afterwards when no one forced them to go to him for help.

Oh well, maybe they’ll explain more about what happened between “The Price of Gold” and “A Land Without Magic” because maybe his behavior did become even worse and that’s why they felt they had to lock him up, because otherwise it didn’t really make any sense since Rumple helped bring Snowing together in the first place.

Judging by the new spoilers provided by Emilie herself, I don’t think maing friends is going to be Belle’ main concern. She said that Belle would be a bit darker next season, thus possibly making her a little more sympathetic to Rumpel’s cause. So, I don’t think Belle will even want to make friends with the rest. The experience of being locked in a mental asylum and being in love with Dark One will make her much darker and a little more mature than her former Fairytale self.

Yes, while it would be nice to see Emma, Snow, Belle, and Red all be friends with each other, it might not happen that way because Snow and Red might be weary of making friends with Belle at first because of her association with Rumple. It would probably be hard for them to tell her anything in confidence without thinking that she might tell Rumple something about what they said until they learn to trust her. So maybe by the end of the season, they’ll be friends especially if they have to join together to fight an outside force like Regina.

Emma has never really had any friends besides Snow, and they’re going to have adjust to being mother and daughter, not to mention everything else on her plate, so I’m not sure how likely a friendship, at least this season, is between her and Belle either since she’s probably still pissed off at Rumple for running off with the potion while Henry was dying.

Oh I just remembered that her and Grumpy knew each other in the Enchanted Forest, so he’ll probably hang out together again, and perhaps he’ll help get the other “good guys” to trust her. That seems likely, although, because of the Bae mystery and her being one of the few people that knows about Rumple’s son, I want her and Henry to end up becoming friends too, and Henry finding out about Bae, especially if Bae is his dad, through his friendship with Belle. I’m not sure how likely the possibility now, but maybe they’ll end up bonding over his book or something.

[autumn]

@AntBee wrote:

Not that he didn’t have his own motives for helping them, but still that irritates me that even when he wasn’t involved in trying to make the “good guys” go to him, they still do, then he helps them, and then they treat him like dirt afterwards when no one forced them to go to him for help.

My thoughts exactly. It had always bothered me, too.
It doesn’t make any sense to me either that they wanted to lock him up, except perhaps that after Regina threatened them during their wedding, they were nervous and scared and wanted to put Rumple away to prevent him from helping Regina with her curse. I don’t know.

Emma has never really had any friends besides Snow, and they’re going to have adjust to being mother and daughter, not to mention everything else on her plate, so I’m not sure how likely a friendship, at least this season, is between her and Belle either since she’s probably still pissed off at Rumple for running off with the potion while Henry was dying.

For some reason I can’t imagine Emma being friends with Belle. I think she might treat her well, but I don’t think they’d be friends. For some reason I can picture Belle being friends with Snow instead… eventually and perhaps thanks to Grumpy.

I want her and Henry to end up becoming friends too, and Henry finding out about Bae, especially if Bae is his dad, through his friendship with Belle. I’m not sure how likely the possibility now, but maybe they’ll end up bonding over his book or something.

I’d LOVE that. The image of Belle and Henry being friends is sweet and tender and it seems to me Mr. Gold has always had some kind of sympathy for the little guy. So yeah, I can see that happening and I think it’d be good for Belle.

Now I think Mr. Gold will want to make sure Belle has a comfortable life, after spending only God knows how many years in prison. Not only the 28 SB years but the previous ones in FTL.

I was thinking the other day, after she left the Dark Castle, all the Snow/Charming story was yet to happen, right? And then came the Royal Wedding, then Rumple made the deal with Cinderella, after that he was put away and Snow’s pregnancy came along… so I was thinking that about 3-5 years happened between Belle leaving the Dark Castle and the curse taking place. So I was considering that must’ve been the time she was locked up in Regina’s dungeons or whatever. Maybe I’m not doing my math in the right way… what do you guys think?

I think now Mr. Gold/Rumple really want to make it up to her, for all those years of loneliness, pain and fear. Considering that right now Belle pretty much has nothing but the clothes she has on (stolen jacket even).

I think it’s so sweet to see how gentle he is with her in the season’s finale. The way he holds her face after he tells her he loves her, the tone of his voice. And… maybe it’s just me, but in that scene when he says: “There’ll be time for that… there’ll be time for everything, but first…” He makes a pause and the way he looks at her, it’s almost as if he wanted to kiss her right there. His eyes seem to go from her eyes to her lips and back to her eyes before he finishes with his: “There’s something I must do”.

[PriceofMagic]

@Autumn wrote:

Now I think Mr. Gold will want to make sure Belle has a comfortable life, after spending only God knows how many years in prison. Not only the 28 SB years but the previous ones in FTL.

I was thinking the other day, after she left the Dark Castle, all the Snow/Charming story was yet to happen, right? And then came the Royal Wedding, then Rumple made the deal with Cinderella, after that he was put away and Snow’s pregnancy came along… so I was thinking that about 3-5 years happened between Belle leaving the Dark Castle and the curse taking place. So I was considering that must’ve been the time she was locked up in Regina’s dungeons or whatever. Maybe I’m not doing my math in the right way… what do you guys think?

Snow had to be pregnant before Cinderella in order for Emma to be born whilst Cinderella was still pregnant in Storybrooke. Perhaps that was one of the reasons Charming wanted Rumple locked up. He was after Cinderella’s baby because of a deal but it could have quite easily been Snow’s baby. It would explain why Charming was so edgy about going to see Rumple in the mine and why he tried to lie to him about Snow’s baby being a boy.

As for the timing of when Belle left the castle, it difficult to pinpoint because there are still chunks of story missing but I think it might be around one and a half to two years between Belle leaving and the curse being cast:
Regina was in her evil stage and doing what she wanted so she must have met Belle after she’d enslaved the huntsman.
Snow met Red in the winter in Red Handed. Belle was at Rumple’s castle in the winter and she opened the curtains when it was nearly spring.
In 7:15 AM, Snow meets Grumpy for the first time, Rumple meets Snow for the first time. Snow is living in the forest and can’t get Charming out of her head.
Belle met Grumpy In Dreamy after Rumple kicked her out.
When Charming jumps in front of Snow’s arrow in heart of darkness, Regina is on her way to her summer palace and it is snowing which could indicate that it is winter again so that is possibly at least a year between Belle opening the curtains and Snow trying to kill the queen.

It seems spring/summer time when Regina tells Rumple Belle is dead. She would have needed to have given it time for Belle to realistically made it home. Rumple tells Charming Belle died in land without magic. Charming goes to find Snow. It’s snowing but there’s a lot of green so maybe winter/spring time. They took back the kingdom so add a month in there plus nine months for Snows pregnancy.

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[Josephine]

Does anyone think there is a chance Charming encountered Belle in the Evil Queen’s dungeon? Snow met Grumpy in King George’s cell. Just a thought I had today. She probably had Belle then, although we’re not positive. So they could have been in her prison at the same time.

I just realized all the main characters except Regina have been imprisoned at one point.
Snow-King George and in Storybrooke
Charming-King George and Regina
Rumple-Charmings and Storybrooke
Belle-Regina
Emma-teenager in Arizona
Henry-in utero 🙂

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[shannonohara]

I bet that Belle has crossed paths with some of the crew in the EF, in addition to Grumpy. I do hope she can make a few new friends.
I have a feeling shes got some PTSD going on and may have a few issues to work through.

[Aliasscape]

I personally don’t think Rumpel cares about being an outcast either. He thrived on it just fine. I’m not sure Belle will care either. Rumpel’s the only person she knows (well besides Regina who she obviously won’t trust), so I wouldn’t be surprised if she trusts him over a bunch of strangers. I also think after 28 years alone large groups (or maybe just groups period) would be a bit nerve wracking.

The comparison to Sidney Glass was not to insult true love or whatever. Only discussing that who you associate with can have an effect on your relationships. I’ll admit I personally don’t care whose love is true or not or how many true loves one gets. For me, that’s all immaterial. Like whether or not Regina the (likely) world destroyer and murderer loves Henry or not. I prefer angst and drama to romance any day and think this show would be better with less of a focus on twu wuv. But I like the characters. I think it’d be more interesting to watch Belle and Rumpel as outcasts than for everyone to buddy up and hang out.

I doubt Rump’s deal making days are over. Since he probably just gave Regina some powers again, he can probably countdown the minutes until someone shows up looking for his help to stop her.

[antbee]

@Josephine wrote:

Does anyone think there is a chance Charming encountered Belle in the Evil Queen’s dungeon? Snow met Grumpy in King George’s cell. Just a thought I had today. She probably had Belle then, although we’re not positive. So they could have been in her prison at the same time.

Interesting theory. It would be a nice parallel since Grumpy and Belle also know each other. (By the way, any chance Grumpy and/or Nova will appear in your “Charming White Gold Swan” saga?)

I just realized all the main characters except Regina have been imprisoned at one point.
Snow-King George and in Storybrooke
Charming-King George and Regina
Rumple-Charmings and Storybrooke
Belle-Regina
Emma-teenager in Arizona
Henry-in utero 🙂

That’s too funny. Don’t forget that Emma was in prison in Storybrooke in the pilot too. I bet that Henry’s father has been in jail before also.

Mmm, maybe it’s suppose to be ironic because Regina has held everyone prisoner for the last 28 years or more in some cases, but she’s really the one in the prison of her own making.

I doubt Rump’s deal making days are over. Since he probably just gave Regina some powers again, he can probably countdown the minutes until someone shows up looking for his help to stop her.

Oh, I’m sure they’re not, but I just wish the “good guys” wouldn’t be so hypocritical about going to him for help. I can understand in some situations that he manipulates, but the other times, I’d like to see them trying to think their way out of a situation before just automatically going to him. Maybe it would take too much time to include scenes like that, but just once and awhile, I’d like to see that first or at least have the “good guys” stop complaining about how evil Rumple is if they keep running to him for help all the time.

[autumn]

Just a question I’ve been wondering for a while: when and why do you think Rumple started to use the chipped cup as his personal teacup? I mean, after all it was just a cup… there were others.

And while we are at it, do you think that’s a cup they actually shared? Because Belle has it with her in the dungeon.

I’d think she was using that cup because she kind of felt guilty for breaking it. And after seeing her using it all the time, he became fond of it. I don’t know. What do you think?

[Josephine]

Ohh, I forgot about Emma arrested in Storybrooke.

AntBee, now that you mention it, maybe they will show up. I’ve got the Christmas story started and have plans for New Years Eve.

Autumn, now I’m going to have to watch Skin Deep for the hundreth time (well, the Rumbelle parts that I watch). I do wonder though if the cup will show up again. Robert Carlyle took the original home and is auctioning it off to charity. So they’ll have to get another if it shows up again.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

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