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Of course, she can come back from murder. Snow White may have darkness in her heart, but she hasn’t embraced it the way Regina has. Snow will fight that other half of herself, and will always do that until a cure is found for what happened to her.
[adrotate group="5"]@Kpercyman wrote:
Snow is guilty of murder by association. We all know that it was her manipulation of Regina’s need to feel love which ultimately caused Cora’s death. This one act of manipulation is what caused the whole thing to go down. True she was evil and it gave me chills when she said it. I must say I even loved her playing with the dark arts so to speak.
My point is that Snow is not upset that Cora is dead but for using Regina to actually commit the act. So I guess she will only be able to move on when she accepts why she had to do that. Why it had to be Regina. Which I believe until Regina sees why her mom had to die, Snow will not be able to accept her part in the situation.
I agree that what upsets Snow the most is that she manipulated Regina, but I don’t think Snow is at peace with her decision to use the candle either.
I ‘m not sure what to make of the phrase “murder by association”. Are you suggesting Snow’s use of Regina somehow gives her less guilt for killing Cora than if she had done it herself? If you put a bomb in a suitcase, but have a courier who is unaware of the contents deliver it to your target, you would still be guilty of murder. As long as the courier had no reason to know about the bomb, then the courier is not guilty of murder or even as an accomplice. So if anything, had Snow delivered the heart herself she would have felt less guilt over it, because she would not have manipulated Regina to accomplish it.
Even if the only way to stop Cora was the candle, Charming was right, Snow should not have done it. There was too much history there, and Snow’s motives were mixed in her mind. She did want to defend her family, but she was also upset about her mother and Johanna.
I agree that Snow feels that she needs to resolve things with Regina, but I don’t think she has to convince Regina that Cora had to die or that Regina had to be the one to deliver the heart unknowingly. Snow has to convince herself that Cora’s death was not about vengeance but about protecting everyone.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Since Snow now has a “Heat of Darkness” can she come back from murder? If so, how? Also, what hope is there for Regina, who presumably also has a giant black spot on her own heart?
Jiminy came back from it. Why can’t Snow? Red has come back from it. Why can’t Snow? Other people have killed and murdered but they’re not dark and evil people.
I agree with Schmacky – I think we are going to see that letting the darkness take over your heart is really what keeps you dark. And I still maintain that we don’t know if Snow’s heart turning dark is actual, or is a trick by Regina to get Snow to see herself as evil.
I completely agree with Schmacky and Laurie. What matters really is what steps Snow takes next. I think it’s going to be a struggle for her because of how she perceives herself, to her what she did was so very “Un-Snow” like that everything she does from here on out will be colored by this one deed. She has to understand that this one action doesn’t define her entire identity. She can still be Snow. I'm really looking forward to episode 20, The Evil Queen and how this plays out
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"idk I think the fact that snow feels so much remorse and guilt, and was willing to sacrafice herself, not once, but twice to end the feud is not something someone who is truly dark would do…I just don’t think she will go as dark as Regina or Rumple. i don’t think its possible.
I think that’s a very good point. The fact that she feels the way she does and was willing to die to pay for her “crime” is a sign that she is still Snow White. But because she no longer feels like she is Snow White, it’s going to be hard for her to realize that she still is Snow.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@KFChimera wrote:
I agree that Snow feels that she needs to resolve things with Regina, but I don’t think she has to convince Regina that Cora had to die or that Regina had to be the one to deliver the heart unknowingly. Snow has to convince herself that Cora’s death was not about vengeance but about protecting everyone.
Doubt Snow can ever do that, simply because I am doubting that she didn’t at least partially did it out of vengeance.
@Kpercyman wrote:
I think what Rumple said is probably the greatest answer. You have to tell yourself that it was the right thing at the time. Now like any person if she dwells on the past it can darken even the purest of hearts and will destroy her life. No matter what those around you say or do it is only up to you.
It is mostly up to Snow, I agree. But I think what Rumple said is bad advice. Talking yourself into thinking it was the right thing to do? That is exactly what a lot of people do to justify things regardless of what anyone else is saying, main point is to make yourself feel better, it’s very selfish. Yes, might be a way to live with yourself again, but as I see it is a good choice to go further down the road of evil. It changes your ethics, at worst seriously corrupts your own ethical standards.
Why do I say so? Think I wrote about it in some other topic, but do so here again. In my view no killing ever can be right. Seeing it that way gives a good and stable ethical ground to stay on, even though it doesn’t make things any easy. But I don’t have to argue and reason when a killing is right and when it’s wrong. Killing a human being is always the wrong thing to do.
But …. of course there is a but, things never are hat simple 😉 But as society, group we can and should consider circumstances, eventually refraining from punishing the killing of a human being under certain circumstances or even pass on prosecuting. That doesn’t make the act of killing ever right, but it considers reasons and circumstances for what the consequence of that wrong act should be. It’s a different approach, to some might look like nitpicking, but it has basic implications. It’s a difference if I discuss right or wrong of killing or if I discuss the right or wrong of what consequences it has for the person who killed. That goes for laws but as well for an ethical view.
So, what Snow did was wrong. Should she be prosecuted for it? Maybe, but we are talking Once Upon a Time and not The Good Wife here (although should look for a master or other thesis about how what is done in fairy tales would do if seen through the lens of jurisdiction; know of a thesis in German on fairy tales from the point of view of forensic medicin, but maybe there is more).
Should she feel bad about it and guilty? Yes, good thing she does, it does give hope that she stays on the good side.
Can Snow come back from murder? Depends on what one understands as come back from.
Sometimes we do wrong things with good reasons. Some people call that doing the right thing, I prefer to still call it doing the wrong thing, but as something that maybe couldn’t have been done any other way, not without more dire consequences: the necessary evil. That means doing something wrong, bad, evil but hoping that it will have more good than bad effects now and even more so in the long run. I think it is important though to accept and not talk away that what you choose to do in itself nevertheless was something wrong or bad to do, otherwise you question your ethics fundamentally, it shakes the ground you’re standing on and not just questions what you build on it.
That some people are questioning, what the difference is between the kills Snow eventually did before (Ogres are human like living beings not cattle) and now killing Cora very much shows that to me. If you declare one killing as something right to do you have to justify from then on as much why a killing is wrong.
There is no coming back from murder, not from killing a human, you can’t undo it. You can give back stolen property maybe, a person can have a good live after loosing a limp due to a fight, attack, but you can’t give back life.
That doesn’t mean that Snow from now on should suffer the rest of her life by guilt. Think she has a chance to come back, come back in the sense of still being a mostly good person making a lot of right choices and feeling that she is that good person. It’s not about talking this kill away, making it look better or more convinient, Snow has to accept in my opinion that she is as capable of doing wrong as others are, but see as well that she still can make right choices nevertheless, because of her compassion for others and a strong sense of fairness. She hasn’t lost those good sides, but it will be a little harder to not do the wrong thing at times from no on.
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@myril wrote:
It is mostly up to Snow, I agree. But I think what Rumple said is bad advice. Talking yourself into thinking it was the right thing to do? That is exactly what a lot of people do to justify things regardless of what anyone else is saying, main point is to make yourself feel better, it’s very selfish. Yes, might be a way to live with yourself again, but as I see it is a good choice to go further down the road of evil. It changes your ethics, at worst seriously corrupts your own ethical standards.
Well put!
As to why this killing is so troubling, there are a few things to consider. I was one of the ones saying that this was war and the only way to stop Cora was to kill her. David even said that he himself had no problem with Cora dying, but not by Snow’s hand (not sure I agree there) and not out of vengeance.
Problem #1: vengeance. Snow’s heart motive was wrong.
Problem #2: Snow compromised her standards further by using dark magic—the very same dark magic that she refused to use to save her own mother.
Problem #3: Snow could have given Cora a chance at changing with her heart in place. This wasn’t revealed to us until we saw Snow with Regina. Once Snow knew that Cora didn’t have her heart, she came up with a very reasonable explanation as to why she was the way she was. Everything Snow said to Regina turned out to be true, and had she done exactly as she did without cursing the heart, Cora would have stopped and loved Regina. Yes, she’s committed unspeakable crimes, and yes, she might still be a problem in the future, but in keeping with Snow’s character this is the route she should have taken. Rumpel would have died, but this was not a truly acceptable way of saving his life.
As to whether Snow can come back … of course she can. Regina’s analyses of most life issues are simplistic and hopeless, regardless of the truth.
I think Snow will have to make up for her blackened heart by doing something exactly the opposite. She needs to do a greater deed of good to overshadow the darkness stirring in her heart. How Snow would do this is anyone’s guess. My personal theory? Snow will do something that results in saving Regina. Either way, I think “atonement” will be a crucial theme.
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