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It really does sound like so much is hinging on the contracts of some of the leads. Rebooting a show that has been established for several seasons, to the point where ratings are already dipping, with a new crew is extremely hard (look at current show Sleepy Hollow that had a pretty big shake up at the end of its third season—even though lead actor stayed on, it didn’t help the floundering ratings).
I’m starting to seriously wonder if this whole “Gideon killing Emma” plot was really a precaution in case JMo doesn’t sign. If she doesn’t sign–Emma will die a Savior’s death and S7 is about recovering from that. If she does sign–Emma defeated fate and S7 is the big end to it all.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It really does sound like so much is hinging on the contracts of some of the leads. Rebooting a show that has been established for several seasons, to the point where ratings are already dipping, with a new crew is extremely hard (look at current show Sleepy Hollow that had a pretty big shake up at the end of its third season—even though lead actor stayed on, it didn’t help the floundering ratings).
I’m starting to seriously wonder if this whole “Gideon killing Emma” plot was really a precaution in case JMo doesn’t sign. If she doesn’t sign–Emma will die a Savior’s death and S7 is about recovering from that. If she does sign–Emma defeated fate and S7 is the big end to it all.
If contract renewals don’t go the way they want them to, then the network may be reluctant with that proposed Season 7 idea. It would be similar to what happened with Castle’s cancellation. They were prepping for another Season, but the problem was that co-lead Stana Katic wouldn’t return. There was fan backlash at the idea of continuing the show without her, so ultimately it was cancelled. So ultimately it seems like OUAT’s future is largely down to contract negotiations.
It really does sound like so much is hinging on the contracts of some of the leads. Rebooting a show that has been established for several seasons, to the point where ratings are already dipping, with a new crew is extremely hard (look at current show Sleepy Hollow that had a pretty big shake up at the end of its third season—even though lead actor stayed on, it didn’t help the floundering ratings). I’m starting to seriously wonder if this whole “Gideon killing Emma” plot was really a precaution in case JMo doesn’t sign. If she doesn’t sign–Emma will die a Savior’s death and S7 is about recovering from that. If she does sign–Emma defeated fate and S7 is the big end to it all.
I don’t think they’ll kill Emma at all. They may pull a Vampire Diaries on her though. Like she’ll be whisked away to another land or cursed and S7 is about everybody trying to find her.
I doubt that Emma is actually going to die. If she does die the show is dead. Killing her off will be fatal to the show, she’s the foundation of the show. Plus it would be absolutely contradicting the message of “hope” cause Emma deserves a happy ending more than anyone.
TBH though I do believe JMO is definitely a lock for next season, we just have to see what happens. She definitely sounds a lot more hopeful than Bobby did.
The show can survive without Rumple, the show cannot survive without Emma, period.
Snowing, Hook, Henry, etc would not get a happy ending if Emma dies. It’s also cruel to dangle a CS engagement and then not follow through. These writers are stupid but they’re not that stupid IMO.
Digitalspy also did not included JMO’s quotes about how she has no interest in abandoning the character and that she has hope for a S7.
It really does sound like so much is hinging on the contracts of some of the leads. Rebooting a show that has been established for several seasons, to the point where ratings are already dipping, with a new crew is extremely hard (look at current show Sleepy Hollow that had a pretty big shake up at the end of its third season—even though lead actor stayed on, it didn’t help the floundering ratings). I’m starting to seriously wonder if this whole “Gideon killing Emma” plot was really a precaution in case JMo doesn’t sign. If she doesn’t sign–Emma will die a Savior’s death and S7 is about recovering from that. If she does sign–Emma defeated fate and S7 is the big end to it all.
I don’t think they’ll kill Emma at all. They may pull a Vampire Diaries on her though. Like she’ll be whisked away to another land or cursed and S7 is about everybody trying to find her. I doubt that Emma is actually going to die. If she does die the show is dead. Killing her off will be fatal to the show, she’s the foundation of the show. Plus it would be absolutely contradicting the message of “hope” cause Emma deserves a happy ending more than anyone. TBH though I do believe JMO is definitely a lock for next season, we just have to see what happens. She definitely sounds a lot more hopeful than Bobby did. The show can survive without Rumple, the show cannot survive without Emma, period. Snowing, Hook, Henry, etc would not get a happy ending if Emma dies. It’s also cruel to dangle a CS engagement and then not follow through. These writers are stupid but they’re not that stupid IMO. Digitalspy also did not included JMO’s quotes about how she has no interest in abandoning the character and that she has hope for a S7.
They have been contradicting “the message of hope” since season 3 though.
In addition, I don’t undrstand the idea of “the show can’t survive”. It is pretty much probable that season 7 will be the last, with or without Emma.
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I would sincerely hope ABC has learned their lesson after the Castle debacle. But I also think Bar Farer has raised an excellent point: if S7 is the last (which it undoubtedly is) then depending on what A and E pitch to the network, Emma–while absolutely vital in our eyes–may not matter to ABC in the long run should JMo not wish to sign her contract.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They have been contradicting “the message of hope” since season 3 though.
When have they contradicted this message? People die. It happens. But the message of hope I thought was practically the only thing that has remained consistent throughout the show.
They have been contradicting “the message of hope” since season 3 though.
When have they contradicted this message? People die. It happens. But the message of hope I thought was practically the only thing that has remained consistent throughout the show.
Hope is supposed to be for “humanity” as a whole, the unimportant characters that are in the background mostly as well as for our beloved, dare I say fan favorite, heroes.
What hope was there for Neal or Robin?
What hope was there for Will and Ana?
What hope was there for Guinevere?
What hope was there for Auntie Em?
If the only hope that is important is for Emma to only be with her boyfriend by the end, then the show is not about hope, and I would even argue that Emma sacrificing her life for the lives of all the people of Storybrooke, for their happy ending, then it is a much hopeful message than anything they have been doing on the show since season 3.
"All your questions are pointless"
Hope is supposed to be for “humanity” as a whole, the unimportant characters that are in the background mostly as well as for our beloved, dare I say fan favorite, heroes. What hope was there for Neal or Robin? What hope was there for Will and Ana? What hope was there for Guinevere? What hope was there for Auntie Em? If the only hope that is important is for Emma to only be with her boyfriend by the end, then the show is not about hope, and I would even argue that Emma sacrificing her life for the lives of all the people of Storybrooke, for their happy ending, then it is a much hopeful message than anything they have been doing on the show since season 3.
But that’s so unfair. Again, people die. Will and Ana were not on OUAT. So I can’t speak of their relationship. Guinevere, well, the actress’s availability hit a snag so they couldn’t finish off her character. That’s not contradicting their message. That’s just bad luck and actor availability. We don’t know what they would have done with her had they had the actress to do something to end her arc. Auntie Em, we didn’t even know! We knew her for like one episode, but people die! Hades was a villain. He obliterates people. Otherwise he wouldn’t be a villain. You can’t take everyone who dies and say that the show has no hope because people die. The only thing I would give you here is the river of lost souls because they failed to really address whether people like Milah and Gaston would be completely obliterated in the river or if they had some sort of way to get out and move on, especially once Hades died. As far as Robin Hood goes, the writers have come out and said that Hades could have been lying about him being obliterated. And they even had Emma I believe say so to Regina to comfort her as well to officially put it as canon. And again, villains are going to kill people. That doesn’t mean they are not still pushing the message of hope. All the characters have been preaching this message to Regina since Robin died because bad things do happen, but you still need to have hope to get though that stuff. Now Neal, he died too, yes. But he also died somewhat of a hero. And he wasn’t in the UW because he moved on to a better place. So again, villains (Zelena) are going to kill people. But the message of hope remains in order to recover and move on and live your life with the people that are still here, that still care about you. That message has remained the same. To cherry pick characters who have died and say that they have contradicted themselves and the message of hope seems asinine to me and completely unfair.
Hope is supposed to be for “humanity” as a whole, the unimportant characters that are in the background mostly as well as for our beloved, dare I say fan favorite, heroes. What hope was there for Neal or Robin? What hope was there for Will and Ana? What hope was there for Guinevere? What hope was there for Auntie Em? If the only hope that is important is for Emma to only be with her boyfriend by the end, then the show is not about hope, and I would even argue that Emma sacrificing her life for the lives of all the people of Storybrooke, for their happy ending, then it is a much hopeful message than anything they have been doing on the show since season 3.
But that’s so unfair. Again, people die. Will and Ana were not on OUAT. So I can’t speak of their relationship. Guinevere, well, the actress’s availability hit a snag so they couldn’t finish off her character. That’s not contradicting their message. That’s just bad luck and actor availability. We don’t know what they would have done with her had they had the actress to do something to end her arc. Auntie Em, we didn’t even know! We knew her for like one episode, but people die! Hades was a villain. He obliterates people. Otherwise he wouldn’t be a villain. You can’t take everyone who dies and say that the show has no hope because people die. The only thing I would give you here is the river of lost souls because they failed to really address whether people like Milah and Gaston would be completely obliterated in the river or if they had some sort of way to get out and move on, especially once Hades died. As far as Robin Hood goes, the writers have come out and said that Hades could have been lying about him being obliterated. And they even had Emma I believe say so to Regina to comfort her as well to officially put it as canon. And again, villains are going to kill people. That doesn’t mean they are not still pushing the message of hope. All the characters have been preaching this message to Regina since Robin died because bad things do happen, but you still need to have hope to get though that stuff. Now Neal, he died too, yes. But he also died somewhat of a hero. And he wasn’t in the UW because he moved on to a better place. So again, villains (Zelena) are going to kill people. But the message of hope remains in order to recover and move on and live your life with the people that are still here, that still care about you. That message has remained the same. To cherry pick characters who have died and say that they have contradicted themselves and the message of hope seems asinine to me and completely unfair.
“Preaching”..more like false propaganda.
Why is it that the good guys die without getting their happy ending, but bad people who have committed murder or rape (like Regina, Zelena, Rumple and Hook) gets to have their happy ending? Is it because they really deserve one or is it because they are fan favorites who have a very loud fanbase?
"All your questions are pointless"
Now Neal, he died too, yes. But he also died somewhat of a hero. And he wasn’t in the UW because he moved on to a better place.
With that argument, means that Emma dying a hero to give everyone their happy endings, is also ok.
The show already showed several times that in death you can get your happy ending, what guarantees you that if Emma dies, she won`t move on to a better place, because she did what she was born to do, be a savior.
And if people, going to say Hook and Henry and snowing wont get their happy ending, the same applies to neal, Henry also lost his father( the real one), Rumple lost his son, so if saying that Emma dying means not all characters get their happy ending, means in this case no matter how the show ends, Hnery and Rumple at least already dont have their happy ending, becaus ethey lost a father and son.
The thing is romantic loves you can get others, family you only get one.
The same also applies to Robin, what happy ending will get Roland without both parents, or the new baby without her father.
The argument of people die can´t be use to some charaters and not others."I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
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