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While I lean to Emma will get her happy ending. If Jmo leaves ( doubt she will) there is a possibility Emma could die with the peace and happiness to know her family is safe and protected. Import female and male lead characters die. Sleepy hollow is an example. And yet that show is trucking onward without her.
You couldn’t give a worse example especially because the ratings are tanking so bad this season without her and the show is definitely getting cancelled.
Neal whether you liked him or not was important to the show and was connected to many of the main characters. His death caused a lot of people not to get their happy endings. Rumple stated in Season 3 straight out that Bae was his happy ending, my point is, that anytime a character dies someone looses their happy ending. Robin’s death left Rolan without any parents (not very happy) Hades left Zelena without her budding relationship (not very happy) and Bae left Rumple in a complete and utter downward spiral which he is still struggling with, Henry without a father, and Emma without her love (none of that was happy)
He was only connected truly to one main character and that was Rumple. Rumple to me has always been the series big bad, so there’s no way he would get the happy ending he was intending. It was clearly to further his storyline that Neal died. If Bae was still around Rumple would have never done the things he did in S4 and onward.
You’ve listed a bunch of minor characters here. Emma is the main character, and has earned a happy ending more than anyone. There’s nothing happy about Emma dying just cause she’s the savior. 101 writing would tell you that the villain is wrong, and the hero does get a happy ending against all odds. She conquers fate, which many of our characters including Regina have said can be done. It’s not yep what Jafar said is right, Saviors never get to live happily ever after. LIVE in bold. That’s horrible writing, and the writers have no idea the backlash that would come from that mistake. So here’s hoping they definitely do the right thing and if she doesn’t sign for another season then have this season be the last. Simple as that or don’t kill her off and then have her pull a Nina Dobrev and come back the next season for the wrap up arc as a guest star in the end.
All this is speculation is over nothing because like I said JMO has given no indications that she’s leaving the show. Especially nothing compared to what Bobby has said.
Neal was not Emma’s love, especially not when he died. There was nothing between them during and after Neverland. The writers made that crystal clear. Just look at the difference between the CS goodbye and SF goodbye in Going Home. Night and day. One is depicted as clearly romantic while the other is way more platonic.
[adrotate group="5"]When did Emma start having her shakes? Was it when she touched something by the dirigible? I keep thinking that there might be some sort of convoluted thing going on here where Jafar has somehow spelled Emma to have these shakes and see these visions. We see in the Aladdin flashback that Aladdin was fine until he met Jafar and looked into his staff. Also, Hyde just knew too much about things that it didn’t make sense that he would know. He said he met another savior and that was why he knew all the stuff about saviors, but who would that have been. It wasn’t Aladdin because Aladdin has been in Storybrooke for the last 30 years. What if he instead just met Jafar and the bird is Jafar. That would then fit with the oracle being all shady and having the red bird and the glowing staff .
It is hard to even know if the writers are actually hinting at something or if they are just having the characters say stuff that doesn’t really mean anything. This show used to have hints to things that could be figured out, but it has been a long time since that was true. Usually now, the writers forget what the characters have said and what happens is instead really straight forward.
If i was to guess, i think that the vision of Emma getting stabbed will come true, that will be the piece of her future that is inevitable like the oracle said. Also, the whole death is every saviors fate is a stupid line. Death is everyone’s fate. The thing is that the oracle did say that on the day Emma saw, in the battle she saw, that she would die, so if Emma dies, she will just be brought back, probably with true love’s kiss. That seems like the inevitable conclusion at this point. What was seen in the vision will happen, but Emma will be saved and be fine. It may even be shown in comparison to what will happen when they show Aladdin and Jasmine take back Agrabah and Aladdin will die and Jasmine will kiss him and he will live.
It is hard to even know if the writers are actually hinting at something or if they are just having the characters say stuff that doesn’t really mean anything. This show used to have hints to things that could be figured out, but it has been a long time since that was true. Usually now, the writers forget what the characters have said and what happens is instead really straight forward.
They just have the characters say stuff they shouldn’t know. For instance, Arthur tells Guinevere that the dagger is part of Excalibur even though there is no reason he should know it or the reason wasn’t shown. They usually use stuff when the plot needs it and then forget about it, like the sorcerer’s mansion in the storybrooke. I find it futile to try and pick those things up because in the end they won’t mean anything, ther won’t be a satisfying conclusion and we will get only twists like the black fairy is Rumple’s mother (how did we not see that twist, that was never forshadowed or never had any hints or clues, coming?!?)
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A savior dying also kind of has less weight now that we gods can revive people from death. Jesus was a savior and he came back. So the vision could be true, Emma may be on the path to death, but she will come back due to her saviorness. I wouldn’t like that, but its in the realm of possibility (heh….why does realm of possibility sound like world A&E would actually think up lol)
Anyway, we really haven’t gotten much savior mythology have we. Like…we haven’t learned much about how many saviors there have been, what makes someone a savior, nothing. All we know is saviors eventually die.
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Exactly. The writers trick write now. Just randomness without any foreshadowing behind it. There was no foreshadowing that the Black Fairy was Rumpel’s mother. There were things about Rumpel not liking the fairies, but that seemed to go back to what happened with Bae and just general distrust for the fairies since they are so unhelpful to the common person.
That is sort of where i am at as well. There is nothing to figure out. Emma will be mostly dead after being stabbed by Gideon then true loves kiss and it is over. I still think they just have to develop the Blue Fairy’s backstory, but really i just can’t believe it has gone on this long without doing that. Now that they have introduced the Black Fairy, they have to explain what is between the Black Fairy and the Blue Fairy. And there needs to be something between them.
A savior dying also kind of has less weight now that we gods can revive people from death. Jesus was a savior and he came back. So the vision could be true, Emma may be on the path to death, but she will come back due to her saviorness. I wouldn’t like that, but its in the realm of possibility (heh….why does realm of possibility sound like world A&E would actually think up lol) Anyway, we really haven’t gotten much savior mythology have we. Like…we haven’t learned much about how many saviors there have been, what makes someone a savior, nothing. All we know is saviors eventually die.
I can’t imagine them actually doing the whole the gods bringing Emma back from life, especially after they did that last season with Hook and how much people hated it. Though, like you said, because they did it in the past and the trope of it all, then it certainly is a possibility.
We really haven’t gotten much savior mythology at all, except they are fated to die, whatever that means. We haven’t heard any stories or examples of what happened to saviors. Aladdin is the only way and he clipped his saviorness before anything could come of it, so he isn’t really the norm, i would think. That is why i think they are going to show Jasmine and Aladdin take Agrabah back because that will be foreshadowing to what will happen with Emma. The whole multiple saviors thing is another thing they just pulled out of nowhere this year. There was no foreshadowing to that at all.
The one thing they said besides fate is their death is that every savior has a villain. Now we all think that Gideon is Emma’s villain, but who knows. Though really, the writers may just forget what the characters said in the early episodes and it won’t mean anything. There has to be something to that first episode though, right? I mean they cold open with Jafar and Aladdin shaking, that has to all come back around for the ending, though as far as we know by then Aladdin had already clipped his saviorness and Agrabah had already fell. How did Aladdin even get to Storybrooke? I know, i know, my questions are pointless.
Michael I think you missed my point I didnt use sleepy hollow as an example of ratings success but it’s an example of show that moved on without their female lead. If jmo left the show they are either going to end it or keep moving forward without her. Shows do that. Simply put.
However I doubt jmo or anyone is leaving for the matter.
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Now that they have introduced the Black Fairy, they have to explain what is between the Black Fairy and the Blue Fairy. And there needs to be something between them.
I think it’s going to be revealed that the Black Fairy and Blue Fairy are sisters, born of the same laugh or however OUAT fairies are created.
It could also explain why Blue Fairy was so eager to help Baelfire get out of the EF, she considers Rumple a lost cause and didn’t want Baelfire to succumb to the same darkness that exists in his father and grandmother (her sister and nephew).
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Keeper of Felixthink it’s going to be revealed that the Black Fairy and Blue Fairy are sisters, born of the same laugh or however OUAT fairies are created.
I like that theory! I still think they may go with Black and Blue being the same person which would tie in with the theme of this year which is the light vs. the dark parts of our personalities. I mean this would tie in the Evil Queen and Regina, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and was also mentioned by the “Dragon” who stated that we are both the light and the dark and should not try and separate ourselves.
I still think they may go with Black and Blue being the same person
Which would explain why blue fairy gave the bean to bae, bc she probably knew Rumple would not go, so they will be separated or why pan shadow in SB went to the blue fairy and why after they were able to bring her back, she gave the black fairy wand to neal, when there were Tink, Hook and Charming, but still she gave it to bae.They may also say she was the one that gave pan the henry pic.
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