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@Phee did you ever listen to the podcast with AnnMarie (name is escaping me at present…). Their take on this?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Stop whatever you are doing and read this
It’s Not Easy Being Someone’s Gateway To Redemption
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Stop whatever you are doing and read this It’s Not Easy Being Someone’s Gateway To Redemption
GAH. I read that earlier this morning and it’s amazing. She hits SO many awesome points and there’s so much truth to every single thing in it. It honestly hurts to read because it’s so true. 🙁
#MoreBOOMLessGloomOUAF has been VERY pro Hook/CS too (so bad with their site/social media that I almost unfollowed their Twitter handle the other day) so that is very interesting.
I’m not that familiar with their stuff apart from their podcast, but the two hosts ship SF (Zack said in this ep that he’s had people complain that he’s SO SF that it’s not fair on other ships, but he said he just personally doesn’t get CS or SQ at all). They also try to avoid spoilers, but they don’t stay completely out of the spoilery news loop.
Stop whatever you are doing and read this It’s Not Easy Being Someone’s Gateway To Redemption
GAH. I read that earlier this morning and it’s amazing. She hits SO many awesome points and there’s so much truth to every single thing in it. It honestly hurts to read because it’s so true.
I know. I read it twice because that’s how accurate it is.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The question then is in what form? Here are some possibilities: a flashback, a ghost, or an AU. “Dead is dead,” but if time were to be reversed, as Phee suggested, that would mean Neal’s death would be undone. This would allow for sufficient closure. Neal would get to see his son. Rumple would be free to see Neal. Emma and Neal could even kiss and maybe TLK would do something magical. Why else have Belle confirm Emma and Neal had true love and yet they didn’t even kiss goodbye? Because that would be too “easy” to undoing Zelena’s curse and the season would’ve ended prematurley. Yet, like RG, I have a hunch if Neal were to return, it would be just for the finale. The way Neal’s death was so quickly executed seemed like MRJ did in fact want off the show, so MRJ returning for 3×22 might just be for a single episode.
If time is undone and he comes back, the heroes still have to somehow fix the undoing of time, meaning Neal dies all over again, unless the intent is to have them live in a changed timeline for the rest of the show.
I think thsi will depend on some things.
1st If they show this season Hook as Emma true love with right to a TLK.
2nd Will Zelena sucessed on this rewrite the past??
3rd If Zelena sucessed, will this be a arc solved until 322? Or will be the major story line next year, changing some things of the past, this way we would see scenes from S1, S2 and S3 from a diferent prepective, would explain MRJ is possible FB as recurring or guest star, would explain possible return to NVL, to see Hook and Pan deals, would explain august/pinochio again, would explain the fact that the writers pointed to next season where we could see more of emma and henry lives on NY, also of more about belle past, and other characters apearences, all as guests and recurring stars, also would explain the Knave, and not the others, bc some of the Wl never happened or still didnt happened and would explain if is true that Sean will not be made regular, bc on this Marion is still alive, so no RH as Regina true love, things unless they rewrite the story.
But once again depends mostly on the 2 first lines, if they will happen or not.
Also about the WoT theory, i have a friend that you know that is @Ozma, and she used to be like a hard core WOT fan, and used to be present on forums and stuff, and although she doesnt believe and doesnt want to have hope, she found some interesting things, that have many ouat connections, even the possible link between babys( aurora and snow). but i will tell you later at the chat, although already talked about with @Text.
Just one example, where the Dark one is trap is on a sort of vault. In there is where souls and shadows, will go, and where the patern is weak, also in the WoT world the description of the wheel of time or patern( destiny ). Bellow a line that describes it:
The Wheel of Time weaving the universe“The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and we are only the thread of the Pattern.”
—Moiraine Damodred
And who do we know that weaves? Rumple aka Dark one.
Also there are also 3 symbols that have similarities with OZ symbols.
Also there is a character name Blue, that represents the One Power.
Once again this is pure curiosity, bc i dont believe they go this way, or that they are smart enough, also dont want to have hope and i dont even know if i want to see MRJ coming back, in FB is to painful and there will be no storyline to used him in FB, in 322 i think that will hurt even more to see him saying goodbye to emma and henry again, and would make the fans ask to bring him as a ghost or spirit to guide henry, i think i dont want that. I guess i dont have hope that the show will get better, in fact i thing is only going down, from now on. Especially bc of they go with bringing everyone from dead except neal, they will need to explain things very well.
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I stopped watching Glee ages ago, but last night they covered No One is Alone which is from my favourite musical, Into the Woods. Every time I listen to their haunting version and I hear the line “Sometimes people leave you halfway through the wood,” I just think of Neal, that he did exactly that in both in the figurative and literal sense.
Sorry for being somewhat off topic.
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also dont want to have hope and i dont even know if i want to see MRJ coming back, in FB is to painful and there will be no storyline to used him in FB, in 322 i think that will hurt even more to see him saying goodbye to emma and henry again, and would make the fans ask to bring him as a ghost or spirit to guide henry, i think i dont want that. I guess i dont have hope that the show will get better, in fact i thing is only going down, from now on. Especially bc of they go with bringing everyone from dead except neal, they will need to explain things very well.
This is what I’m afraid of. Having Neal back for a brief moment only to kill him AGAIN. It just too contrived for me. It’s bad enough that Neal died. How many times are they going to bring him back and rip him away? It just renders the story even more convoluted. The Dead is dead motto is pretty much a joke at this point. They’ve ruined it with reviving Rumple. Either he stay dead or he stays alive. (Even though I much prefer alive) And have something that sticks and make your point across that you aren’t toying with the viewers. I fear another revival would just cheapen his character even further. I’m keeping a small bit of flame of hope that they might revive him permanently. But I’ve also resign to the fact that they’ve botched the death episode beyond repair if they’re keeping him dead, without any sort of resolution. They should have had more of the conclusion to his arc then a mere 1-2 min interaction with everyone.
Hi everyone! This is my first post but have been a fan here since season 1. I’m not a social media person. Have no twitter, tumblr, Facebook nor am I familiar with forums such as these (coding etc) but I am a HUGE OUAT fan. Or was. I will finish this season with the hope that Neal is alive. If he is not I cannot imagine continuing to watch next season. This forum has been so wonderful to come to since “Quiet Minds”. I have found anger when I needed to be angry. Sadness when I wanted to be sad. And hope when that’s all I had left. So thank you!
I ship Emma and Neal. Not because it’s all head canon but because it’s how the writers WERE writing the show. They are/were obviously TL’s. But regardless of my ship, Neal dying not only destroys Emma’s happy ending but the entire crazy rumple/charming/evil queen family. How can rumple and belle truly have their happy ending if Bae is gone? How can the charmings have theirs if their daughter, the savior, who has sacrificed everything, does not get her happy ending? How can Henry have his happy ending if he doesn’t have his father? How can Regina have hers if the most important person in her life (Henry) can’t have his? Neal is so much at the center of this story, of these characters that for him to be dead changes everything we have been shown and told. It changes every arc, every character and the entire story to something unrecognizable.
I do not need Neal and Emma to end up together to be a satisfied fan. But I do need Neal to live. There are so many great theories out there about why he isn’t really dead or ways to bring him back. However poorly I think it reflects on the writers of the show to fake his death AGAIN, I’ll admit I hope it happens. I am not as creative as others on this forum nor am I as familiar with fairy tales, folklore etc but I have my instincts and certain facts that along with all the theories out there allow me to remain hopeful. MRJ has said he wasn’t fired nor did he quit and to stay tuned. No “good lucks” or “nice working with you” from cast mates. It just makes no sense. He is friends with them all. I think this is all a big fake out!
From my limited research it appears the only BTS pics we saw of Neal was way back in November when they had just returned to the EF. And then a spotting on Feb 28th where he filmed in studio. The only thing in between those times are pics he and JMo posted on their twitter accounts of them individually crouching in front of a space heater. Both pics match the outfits they wore in his death scene. Sorry I don’t know how to embed them but pics are still on their accounts posted from Jan 8th which I assume must have been the first thing they shot after the new year break. So from Jan 8th until Feb 28th no MRJ. Now this makes sense if he really is dead cause there would be nothing to film. However if he is alive and this is a fake out they wouldn’t want MRJ sitings. They would want it to appear that he was not filming. I’m hoping he was needed more in studio than on location.
A&E have said dead is dead. Neal is dead. But that doesn’t mean Baelfire is dead. And I’m not hoping for a Pinocchio type situation. Just a “his name is actually Baelfire, not Neal” kind of situation. We know A&E choose their words carefully. We have all been robbed of Nealfire’s back story and his current story. There are too many kitchen table conversations that haven’t happened. Too many situations about his life that have not been explained. My hope is that he is alive, with or without complications and next seasons story lines are about Baelfire. Considering his importance to every aspect of the story and characters it would be nice to focus on him for a while.
Okay so that’s my long winded chaotic HOPEFUL rant.
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