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Also, who says that if Neal came back, the writers would suddenly start giving him a good story line and a happy ending? They just might keep on doing what they have been for the past season and a half. In a way Neal’s better off you know. At least now the writers can’t put him through even more misery for nothing.
This is such a good point. Bringing him back only to sideline him again…ugh. I don’t know if I could watch that.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I can see him coming back in the finale for an actual goodbye with Henry and Emma that isn’t so *stupid* as the first one (BITTER). But I’m still hesitant to hope for anything beyond that. I think Adam and Eddy are saving the real goodbye/closure for 322.
I’m now more convinced that Neal could be appearing in the finale. A few weeks ago someone tweeted Adam saying, “So I guess this means Neal won’t be in the finale.” To which Adam replied, “Who said that?” Now I think this was before 3×15 aired, so Adam may have been avoiding giving away Neal died, but then again, it might’ve been hinting we’d see Neal again in the final episode.
The question then is in what form? Here are some possibilities: a flashback, a ghost, or an AU. “Dead is dead,” but if time were to be reversed, as Phee suggested, that would mean Neal’s death would be undone. This would allow for sufficient closure. Neal would get to see his son. Rumple would be free to see Neal. Emma and Neal could even kiss and maybe TLK would do something magical. Why else have Belle confirm Emma and Neal had true love and yet they didn’t even kiss goodbye? Because that would be too “easy” to undoing Zelena’s curse and the season would’ve ended prematurley. Yet, like RG, I have a hunch if Neal were to return, it would be just for the finale. The way Neal’s death was so quickly executed seemed like MRJ did in fact want off the show, so MRJ returning for 3×22 might just be for a single episode.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The question then is in what form? Here are some possibilities: a flashback, a ghost, or an AU. “Dead is dead,” but if time were to be reversed, as Phee suggested, that would mean Neal’s death would be undone. This would allow for sufficient closure. Neal would get to see his son. Rumple would be free to see Neal. Emma and Neal could even kiss and maybe TLK would do something magical. Why else have Belle confirm Emma and Neal had true love and yet they didn’t even kiss goodbye? Because that would be too “easy” to undoing Zelena’s curse and the season would’ve ended prematurley. Yet, like RG, I have a hunch if Neal were to return, it would be just for the finale. The way Neal’s death was so quickly executed seemed like MRJ did in fact want off the show, so MRJ returning for 3×22 might just be for a single episode.
If time is undone and he comes back, the heroes still have to somehow fix the undoing of time, meaning Neal dies all over again, unless the intent is to have them live in a changed timeline for the rest of the show.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The question then is in what form? Here are some possibilities: a flashback, a ghost, or an AU. “Dead is dead,” but if time were to be reversed, as Phee suggested, that would mean Neal’s death would be undone. This would allow for sufficient closure. Neal would get to see his son. Rumple would be free to see Neal. Emma and Neal could even kiss and maybe TLK would do something magical. Why else have Belle confirm Emma and Neal had true love and yet they didn’t even kiss goodbye? Because that would be too “easy” to undoing Zelena’s curse and the season would’ve ended prematurley. Yet, like RG, I have a hunch if Neal were to return, it would be just for the finale. The way Neal’s death was so quickly executed seemed like MRJ did in fact want off the show, so MRJ returning for 3×22 might just be for a single episode.
If time is undone and he comes back, the heroes still have to somehow fix the undoing of time, meaning Neal dies all over again, unless the intent is to have them live in a changed timeline for the rest of the show.
What if they’re not actually undoing their own timeline but undoing something Zelena did before they even got back to the EF in 3×11? Zelena is pretty powerful in her own right and maybe when Regina was undoing her own curse, Z was able to set her own plan in motion, in effect giving them the WRONG timeline in the first place so she could enact her actual plan. It’s way farfetched but these are the guys who worked on Lost. In this scenario, them defeating her and righting the story would actually put them back on their RIGHT timeline and then Neal would live since he wasn’t supposed to die in the first place. I don’t know. That’s probably reaching but it could happen (dude, these guys made a BABY have magical powers in this last episode….anything is possible at this point) and it would actually explain why this season feels so manic and different compared to the other ones. We’ve all talked about how this is the season of misdirection….this is one way that this could actually be explained. Meh, this is a total crack theory for sure so why am I even writing it down, LOL 😉
BTW-I don’t think it was MRJ who wanted to leave the show. I think ABC wanted MRJ to leave the show and stuck their noses into Once and made sure they did something about it. No actor in the world asks to leave a steady show when that actor hasn’t really had a lot of longer term acting gigs over the years. By all accounts this cast was right as rain during the NL arc (pics, tweets, snarky comments back and forth, etc) and then suddenly things changed and the main cast started acting odd before most of them stopped tweeting about the show all together. I really do think ABC stuck their noses into the show’s story and the main cast didn’t like it so they’re now protesting by refusing to tweet much about the show anymore. The silence sticks out like a sore thumb to me and I would not at all be surprised to hear that something specific happened during S3 that caused the silence. MRJ doesn’t strike me as the type who would ask to leave a show, but I’ve watched ABC for a LONG time now and I can totally see them sticking their nose into the story and wanting things to go a certain way because of pressure from focus groups and social media. They’re doing it with Nashville this year too (don’t get me started on how up and down that show has been this year). 🙁 /end rant
#MoreBOOMLessGloomWhat if they’re not actually undoing their own timeline but undoing something Zelena did before they even got back to the EF in 3×11? Zelena is pretty powerful in her own right and maybe when Regina was undoing her own curse, Z was able to set her own plan in motion, in effect giving them the WRONG timeline in the first place so she could enact her actual plan. It’s way farfetched but these are the guys who worked on Lost. In this scenario, them defeating her and righting the story would actually put them back on their RIGHT timeline and then Neal would live since he wasn’t supposed to die in the first place. I don’t know. That’s probably reaching but it could happen (dude, these guys made a BABY have magical powers in this last episode….anything is possible at this point) and it would actually explain why this season feels so manic and different compared to the other ones. We’ve all talked about how this is the season of misdirection….this is one way that this could actually be explained. Meh, this is a total crack theory for sure so why am I even writing it down, LOL 😉
So…they’re undoing what Zelena undid in order to get back t Timeline A, which is the proper and correct timeline.
Well. That’s LOST S5 in a nutshell.
BTW-I don’t think it was MRJ who wanted to leave the show. I think ABC wanted MRJ to leave the show and stuck their noses into Once and made sure they did something about it. No actor in the world asks to leave a steady show when that actor hasn’t really had a lot of longer term acting gigs over the years. By all accounts this cast was right as rain during the NL arc (pics, tweets, snarky comments back and forth, etc) and then suddenly things changed and the main cast started acting odd before most of them stopped tweeting about the show all together.
There was something off about hiatus. The pics from Ginny weren’t of the casting having fun but rather almost episode stills. Hardly anyone tweeted about their day. Almost no one was tweeting each other. #TeamGG has pretty much monopolized Ginny’s *entire* feed (and does a poor job of it, if you ask me. Honestly…the EXAMINER?!)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In this scenario, them defeating her and righting the story would actually put them back on their RIGHT timeline and then Neal would live since he wasn’t supposed to die in the first place.
That’s similar to what I’m thinking, yeah. The t-word that’s SUPPOSED to happen is the one where Neal and Rumple both live and Zelena is defeated. So time would move forward as per normal once they all get back to FTL for the start of S3B redo.
Sidenote: I’m here listening to the Once Upon A Fans podcast and both hosts don’t believe Neal’s staying dead, to the point where they’re specifying that they’re saying words like dead and coffin with airquotes.
I read THIS post a few days and just nodded my head throughout all of it.
It’s got some pretty strong language so be forewarned.
I don’t think we’ll ever know, for sure.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sidenote: I’m here listening to the Once Upon A Fans podcast and both hosts don’t believe Neal’s staying dead, to the point where they’re specifying that they’re saying words like dead and coffin with airquotes.
Interesting. Daniel and Jeremy are convinced that Neal IS dead and is staying dead. Operation Cobra obviously shut down their entire operation. OUAF thinks he’s coming back….(and we know how obsessively they follow spoilers, like we do)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sidenote: I’m here listening to the Once Upon A Fans podcast and both hosts don’t believe Neal’s staying dead, to the point where they’re specifying that they’re saying words like dead and coffin with airquotes.
Interesting. Daniel and Jeremy are convinced that Neal IS dead and is staying dead. Operation Cobra obviously shut down their entire operation. OUAF thinks he’s coming back….(and we know how obsessively they follow spoilers, like we do)
OUAF has been VERY pro Hook/CS too (so bad with their site/social media that I almost unfollowed their Twitter handle the other day) so that is very interesting. Really all this proves is that we have no freaking clue what the heck is going on anymore, LOL 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomWhat if they’re not actually undoing their own timeline but undoing something Zelena did before they even got back to the EF in 3×11? Zelena is pretty powerful in her own right and maybe when Regina was undoing her own curse, Z was able to set her own plan in motion, in effect giving them the WRONG timeline in the first place so she could enact her actual plan. It’s way farfetched but these are the guys who worked on Lost. In this scenario, them defeating her and righting the story would actually put them back on their RIGHT timeline and then Neal would live since he wasn’t supposed to die in the first place. I don’t know. That’s probably reaching but it could happen (dude, these guys made a BABY have magical powers in this last episode….anything is possible at this point) and it would actually explain why this season feels so manic and different compared to the other ones. We’ve all talked about how this is the season of misdirection….this is one way that this could actually be explained. Meh, this is a total crack theory for sure so why am I even writing it down, LOL
So…they’re undoing what Zelena undid in order to get back t Timeline A, which is the proper and correct timeline. Well. That’s LOST S5 in a nutshell.
BTW-I don’t think it was MRJ who wanted to leave the show. I think ABC wanted MRJ to leave the show and stuck their noses into Once and made sure they did something about it. No actor in the world asks to leave a steady show when that actor hasn’t really had a lot of longer term acting gigs over the years. By all accounts this cast was right as rain during the NL arc (pics, tweets, snarky comments back and forth, etc) and then suddenly things changed and the main cast started acting odd before most of them stopped tweeting about the show all together.
There was something off about hiatus. The pics from Ginny weren’t of the casting having fun but rather almost episode stills. Hardly anyone tweeted about their day. Almost no one was tweeting each other. #TeamGG has pretty much monopolized Ginny’s *entire* feed (and does a poor job of it, if you ask me. Honestly…the EXAMINER?!)
Preach about the horrible way Ginny’s team has handled her Twitter account lately. They need social media lessons ASAP. BTW-Interesting timing…JMo’s birthday is this weekend and I will VERY interested to see if any of her cast mates come off Twitter silence to wish her a happy birthday. They’re done filming so everyone should be at home now. I know I’ll be stalking Twitter for sure that day just to see if anyone says anything to her.
IMO, nothing is out of the realm of possibility with Once since these are the guys who worked on Lost for six years. Crack theories may abound but they can always make sense with these trolls. 😉
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