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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ok, im going to say somthing about some posts that were writen in previous pages, and in this case is related to MRJ leaving or not.
I think i read here someone saying that MRJ would not ask to leave, bc of hate he is to professional, and should be prepared to hate and love from fans.Then there is a friend of mine that says that she also doesnt believe that he would wanted out, because was to rush, and also if contract break ABC could even sue him.
Then we arrive to the storyline reason, dont think so, bc was to rush, and to quickly and no way this was decided like between seasons, i mean ABC wouldnt want to pay an actor a whole year, and use him for only few episodes just for the writers fan, and also were A/E looking for him not the opposite, that is why i think was something decide during NVL arc, not beg, so MRJ would still had 1 season contract.
Now ABC, would the network pressure them to kill neal, to make CS? maybe , but they would knew that was what the fans would think, and would look bad for the network, also was just the case of putting neal with someone else, they wouldnt need to kill him.
However, what if was a conbination of all the above factors, MRJ wanted to leave, A/E didnt know what to do with Neal on Oz arc and ABC wanted to push CS as couple?
An that the solution for this would be, kill him in a episode that would move the story the rest of the season( that was A/E part), pretend he was working and not look for other jobs( MRJ part), and keep him on credits and pay him until the end of the season as way to compesate the time lost on the show, avoid spoilers and could still use him in FB until the end of season,so avoid pay him per epi if was necessary(ABC part).
During his twiter stament MRJ said that he loved to work with the writers, cast, crew, and network from down to top, so made me think,and i confirmed in the chat that ABC is the the last of the networks to tell shows next year, and now i wonder , probably not true, what if since MRJ couldnt look for pilots, to avoid spoilers, what if to compensate him ABC promissed him a regular place in other of their big shows? and that is why MRJ still didnt made interviews, that same with the cast that knows the deal, and only after the show ends, and ABC says the shows for next season we will find out, bc MRJ did say stay tuned. This is just a crazy idea that crossed my mind.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I think there are several factors. MRJ is a very private person and the amount of hate he got on Twitter was like nothing else any other members of the cast got. 300 “die NEAL!!” tweets in two months, for example.
I think it’s possible A and E simply changed their minds at some point during S3A and sat down with him to explain their creative decision.
I think we’ll never know. Maybe someday when the show is over, they’ll tell us. But probably not.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I was listening to Operation Cobra’s final podcast (315) and I realized that not only did I agree with everything they said about Quiet Minds but that the writing on ONCE is really starting to bother me as well. Inconsistent rules of magic, huge gaping plot holes, characters acting OOC to what they’ve done before, curse/amnesia/TLK/villains who have the same psychological makeup as the one before, lack of equal representation of all kinds of people, filler and colorless characters, no time to breathe or explain because you must advance plot…. There is a difference between hating/bashing and having actual legit criticisms. A lot of what people say are legit criticisms. But lately it just gets shot down as “you’re a hater”
Yeah…I also listened to their podcast and realized I was nodding my head at ALOT of what they were saying. It was refreshing to hear someone just straight up say the writing is pure crap at this point. Makes me feel like I wasn’t going crazy. That I didn’t have to bow down to the all mighty A&E and their “brilliant” team of writers, because I felt there was nothing brilliant about it. The only reason I stuck around was for the characters.
Then I started listing to their previous episodes and found I pretty much straight up agreed with almost everything. From the contrived magical fix-its to the plots that were left open never to be explored again. It just got worse and worse, when I was hoping it would get better if I held on. There was just too much crap I put up with up until now and “Quiet Minds” was my breaking point.
Ok, im going to say somthing about some posts that were writen in previous pages, and in this case is related to MRJ leaving or not. I think i read here someone saying that MRJ would not ask to leave, bc of hate he is to professional, and should be prepared to hate and love from fans.Then there is a friend of mine that says that she also doesnt believe that he would wanted out, because was to rush, and also if contract break ABC could even sue him. Then we arrive to the storyline reason, dont think so, bc was to rush, and to quickly and no way this was decided like between seasons, i mean ABC wouldnt want to pay an actor a whole year, and use him for only few episodes just for the writers fan, and also were A/E looking for him not the opposite, that is why i think was something decide during NVL arc, not beg, so MRJ would still had 1 season contract. Now ABC, would the network pressure them to kill neal, to make CS? maybe , but they would knew that was what the fans would think, and would look bad for the network, also was just the case of putting neal with someone else, they wouldnt need to kill him. However, what if was a conbination of all the above factors, MRJ wanted to leave, A/E didnt know what to do with Neal on Oz arc and ABC wanted to push CS as couple? An that the solution for this would be, kill him in a episode that would move the story the rest of the season( that was A/E part), pretend he was working and not look for other jobs( MRJ part), and keep him on credits and pay him until the end of the season as way to compesate the time lost on the show, avoid spoilers and could still use him in FB until the end of season,so avoid pay him per epi if was necessary(ABC part). During his twiter stament MRJ said that he loved to work with the writers, cast, crew, and network from down to top, so made me think,and i confirmed in the chat that ABC is the the last of the networks to tell shows next year, and now i wonder , probably not true, what if since MRJ couldnt look for pilots, to avoid spoilers, what if to compensate him ABC promissed him a regular place in other of their big shows? and that is why MRJ still didnt made interviews, that same with the cast that knows the deal, and only after the show ends, and ABC says the shows for next season we will find out, bc MRJ did say stay tuned. This is just a crazy idea that crossed my mind.
I find everything is just so weird at this point. None of the cast tweeted very much about the death or about MRJ. MRJ had to publicly explain himself about the writing of the episode and then Adam came into the fray (probably to avoid dealing with the onslaught of backlash) There’s just something suspicious going on behind the scenes. Because it’s unbelievable to me that they consider this bold writing. When what they wrote in season 1 is an example of actual BOLD writing.
I wish the come clean like and make things clear. Because it just made everyone even more suspicious. Like what the writers and actors did in Dowton Abbey. The actor wanted to leave. People were heartbroken but they got over it quick. I loved that show and was heartbroken the character got killed off but I accepted it. And they did it so that it MADE SENSE. They also continued the story in a manner that made sense from the aftermath of the death. The everyone was in mourning for at least 3 episodes. It was in character. The death propelled the story forwards and everything the character does was in direct result of that moment.
Neal’s just came out of left field. It did not propel the story any further then if he didn’t die. Everyone mourned him for 1 episode and seem to have quickly forgotten and moved on to the next catastrophe.
This story is still about hope. Emma and Neal’s story took place in the real world, therefore their “fairytale” would be based in reality and in real life, it’s not all happily ever afters. Fairytales themselves are an exploration of real life issues through stories.
Friendly jumping into the conversation above if you don’t mind. Sure if one can cherry pick and place those who have done some twisted and evil things on a path to a redemption pedestal like some sort of hallo. As opposed to those who were to adamant about placing others before their own happiness had a pretty sub par arc the entire run of the series. Their reward is death. It’s a wonderful message of hope that perfectly reflects our real world. Meanwhile, disregard the outlandishness featuring magical fix it plot devices created out of thin air , tasers that defy science, dark voo doo magic used to bring back the dead, de-aging characters at will, and flying primates who were once humans. The power of the pen is a mighty tool indeed. Neal’s death didn’t represent a shred of our reality. He was manipulated into using dark magic because the writers wanted his character written off for whatever reason. The end. Their is no logic imo in using the real world angle to justify that writing when the show itself never bothered by following our rules. His sudden need to use dark magic was laughably contrived. It would have been better had he just decided to head back to NYC to pack up his stuff and getting shot from a robbery gone awry. A wrong place at the wrong time situation. It happens everyday. If the writing wanted his abrupt death to represent what happens in our world, that sometimes the good guy who may have deserved their elusive happy ending just never gets that chance. That **** just happens to those who get caught in the crossfire they would have written an ending for Neal that honored and better reflected the unique dynamic he had with Emma in their modern fairytale story. His ending did no such thing. And I get and respect that you may think differently. But I don’t belive this is the appropriate thread to be attempting to explain away a death that many of its posters will never find any logic in its mediocre writing.
AGREE!!!
Neal’s just came out of left field. It did not propel the story any further then if he didn’t die. Everyone mourned him for 1 episode and seem to have quickly forgotten and moved on to the next catastrophe.
Mourned him for about 15 mins. The wake was a sham and was only to have the WW interrupt something to make you dislike her even more.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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