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I don’t buy into Neal’s death being a realistic portrayal of our world, nor more than I believe it was bold story telling (come on kill the supposedly least popular third of a love triangle and least popular character in the fandom is a bold story choice, in the words of Emma Swan, Seriously)
Nor do I think it represent the dark side of fairy tales which is another one I hear often. I’m no expert nor do I pretend to be but i know my classic fairy tales . Yes they were dark, particularly the Brother Grimm series, and bloody, but in the end they good guys/gals overcome the hardship/suffering to win in the end while the villains are punish in the worst way possible.
[adrotate group="5"]"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
This story is still about hope.
Emma and Neal’s story took place in the real world, therefore their “fairytale” would be based in reality and in real life, it’s not all happily ever afters.
Fairytales themselves are an exploration of real life issues through stories.
Friendly jumping into the conversation above if you don’t mind.
Sure if one can cherry pick and place those who have done some twisted and evil things on a path to a redemption pedestal like some sort of hallo. As opposed to those who were to adamant about placing others before their own happiness had a pretty sub par arc the entire run of the series. Their reward is death. It’s a wonderful message of hope that perfectly reflects our real world.
Meanwhile, disregard the outlandishness featuring magical fix it plot devices created out of thin air , tasers that defy science, dark voo doo magic used to bring back the dead, de-aging characters at will, and flying primates who were once humans.
The power of the pen is a mighty tool indeed.
Neal’s death didn’t represent a shred of our reality. He was manipulated into using dark magic because the writers wanted his character written off for whatever reason. The end. Their is no logic imo in using the real world angle to justify that writing when the show itself never bothered by following our rules.
His sudden need to use dark magic was laughably contrived. It would have been better had he just decided to head back to NYC to pack up his stuff and getting shot from a robbery gone awry. A wrong place at the wrong time situation. It happens everyday.
If the writing wanted his abrupt death to represent what happens in our world, that sometimes the good guy who may have deserved their elusive happy ending just never gets that chance. That **** just happens to those who get caught in the crossfire they would have written an ending for Neal that honored and better reflected the unique dynamic he had with Emma in their modern fairytale story.
His ending did no such thing. And I get and respect that you may think differently. But I don’t belive this is the appropriate thread to be attempting to explain away a death that many of its posters will never find any logic in its mediocre writing.
Feel free to jump in as much as you like Jaxer, I enjoy friendly debates.
I’m not trying to explain away Neal’s death as such. And I don’t disagree that Neal’s death could have been written better or not at all. I would’ve loved to see Emma and Neal parent Henry together even though they may not have ended up together romantically (and that doesn’t mean I’m pro-CS either).
What I am strongly disagreeing with is another poster’s opinion that the only “logical” way forward after Neal’s death is that the rest of the characters, including Henry, Emma, Snowing and Belle (so the non-villains, though Rumple and Regina aren’t really villains any more but they have done bad things) are miserable for the rest of their lives and die horribly just because Neal is dead.
I think that is a horrible message to send out. What are your thoughts?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMy thoughts on the subject is that that some characters will have a bitter-sweet happy ending. Realistically that’s what most of us get bitter-sweet happy endings. Especially if you live to good old ripe age. You watch love ones past away, you experience hardship and tragedy but there are so joys and accomplishments.
But what is a happy ending in life, because up to the moment you are living, so if its ending is that happy? Perhaps its not a happy ending, but a joyous and content life that ends with a person acceptance of the things that happen and didn’t happen. Perhaps in the end a person says I had good life, I love and was loved.
Will Rumple, Emma, Henry, and Belle find happiness and should they? Yes, but it would bitter sweet, for Rumple the most because honestly who ever gets over the lost of a child.
But I fully believe that Rumple, Emma, Henry (if he makes it to season 4), and Belle will get their happy ending of a home, family, and love. I think in time Neal will be a whisper of a memory, only spoken by fans, and maybe once in a blue moon by Rumple where he doesn’t mention him by name, but refers to him as “my boy.” (Oh yeah he did have son right, who was he again, Henry’s father or uncle, oh well)
Anyway I digress, so yes the live should continue to live and get their happy ending, because Neal…Bae in his selfless nature would never wished for them to give up their lives or happiness for him. As matter of fact his ghost will rise up and knock some sense in the lot of them with his sass and fire them all up to get out there live life, love each other and be a family gosh darn it. Neal was good, no great person like that!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
What I am strongly disagreeing with is another poster’s opinion that the only “logical” way forward after Neal’s death is that the rest of the characters, including Henry, Emma, Snowing and Belle (so the non-villains, though Rumple and Regina aren’t really villains any more but they have done bad things) are miserable for the rest of their lives and die horribly just because Neal is dead. I think that is a horrible message to send out. What are your thoughts?
I don’t think it’s fair to put one person’s post on the rest of us, to color us all as having the same thoughts. We–the majority of us– do not believe as Marty does. It’s not fair that you are claiming such (I read everything, remember?)
I think in time Neal will be a whisper of a memory, only spoken by fans, and maybe once in a blue moon by Rumple where he doesn’t mention him by name, but refers to him as “my boy.” (Oh yeah he did have son right, who was he again, Henry’s father or uncle, oh well
Neal will be forgotten because “bold” storytelling.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Will Rumple, Emma, Henry, and Belle find happiness and should they? Yes, but it would bitter sweet, for Rumple the most because honestly who ever gets over the lost of a child.
Agreed. Whatever happiness they do find, there will be a Neal shaped hole in it for all of them. Emma will always live with the knowledge that she effectively assisted in the death of the man she loved. Henry will never get to properly know his father. And while Rumple said that everything he went through to find his son WAS worth it despite how it ended, he’ll never get to truly achieve what he’s dreamed of for centuries, living happily with his son as a family. And this should not be a thing that these characters need to live with on the show that’s supposed to be about hope and the getting their happy endings.
Will Rumple, Emma, Henry, and Belle find happiness and should they? Yes, but it would bitter sweet, for Rumple the most because honestly who ever gets over the lost of a child.
Agreed. Whatever happiness they do find, there will be a Neal shaped hole in it for all of them. Emma will always live with the knowledge that she effectively assisted in the death of the man she loved. Henry will never get to properly know his father. And while Rumple said that everything he went through to find his son WAS worth it despite how it ended, he’ll never get to truly achieve what he’s dreamed of for centuries, living happily with his son as a family. And this should not be a thing that these characters need to live with on the show that’s supposed to be about hope and the getting their happy endings.
I was talking to @AstraWoid last night. She has kids, as I do not I am going to believe her. Loosing your child is the worst possible thing that can ever ever ever ever ever happen. Ever. EVER. Astra said she didn’t even know how she would be able to cope with anything.
It doesn’t matter how much time passes, how happy Rumple and Belle are, Nealfire was his WORLD. His entire universe revolved around his son. If the writers brush it off as, “well now he gets to try and have another life…” that might actually be the final straw for me. THAT”S what we mean we say no happy endings. Rumple’s happy ending from here to eternity, is incomplete. There is a Neal shaped void in Rumple’s life, meaning there will be a void in Belle’s. There is Neal shaped void in Henry and Emma’s lives, meaning there will be one in Regina’s as well–would you want your child to suffer like that?
Parents are not supposed to bury their children. Their happy endings are incomplete because of messy, illogical, non realistic, OOC “bold” storytelling.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neal Cassidy—If I Die Young
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What I am strongly disagreeing with is another poster’s opinion that the only “logical” way forward after Neal’s death is that the rest of the characters, including Henry, Emma, Snowing and Belle (so the non-villains, though Rumple and Regina aren’t really villains any more but they have done bad things) are miserable for the rest of their lives and die horribly just because Neal is dead. I think that is a horrible message to send out. What are your thoughts?
I don’t think it’s fair to put one person’s post on the rest of us, to color us all as having the same thoughts. We–the majority of us– do not believe as Marty does. It’s not fair that you are claiming such (I read everything, remember?)
Where have I ever claimed that all Swanfire fans believe as Marty does? Genuine question because I don’t think I have. If I’ve written something that could be interpreted that way, then it was not intentional at all. But still, could you point me to where you believe I have claimed such a thing so that I can at least clarify that point so it won’t be interpreted that way by others?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’ve seen people posting about how the show is no longer about hope and happy endings and basically the rest of Neal’s family should end up dying because they can’t have their happy ending with Neal gone and I just wanted to vent.
It’s depressing to read how all the other characters should die horribly and not get their happy endings, just because Neal is dead. The show doesn’t revolve around Neal. Yes it was a shame Neal died and in the way he did, and it would be fair to say that nobody wanted Neal to die, because he did deserve his happy ending, but I disagree with saying that the show is no longer about hope and happy endings.
Nobody is judging the Neal fans. But it is so depressing to read about how all the characters should die horribly and not get happy endings because Neal died and happy endings died with him etc.
I’m a Neal fan. In fact a major one. HUGE in fact.
Not once have I ever said anything that you are claiming the “Neal fans” are saying.You coloring us all as people who now wish horrible endings on everyone simply because “Neal died.”
I am so tired of repeating myself. And I know everyone is too.
YES. We are VERY upset that Neal died. But we are MORE upset at the way it was handled. This isn’t about our favorite character dying or even our ship. It’s about how it was done. We recognize it’s an ensemble show. We recognize that he is one of many. Again, this is about the way it was DONE. We’ve been saying all along, if he had actually gone out like Neal really would have done (non OOC) then we probably wouldn’t be THIS upset.
And further, I am *allowed* to feel as bad about this as I want. My emotions are not at the discretion of this forum. I have deeply personal reasons (beyond the death of my own father) for why this hit me so hard. My emotions are not for anyone else to decide. They have remained here, in this safe haven of a shipping thread. I do not present them to the rest of the forum, where they are clearly not welcome. Here I am among friends. They get me, so here I stay to feel what I feel.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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