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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
*pouring drinks for all who have seen the ep and one for myself who will be watching it in the near future*
However, the writers in 3×17 even had a meta about this. Zelena, disguised as Ariel, asked, “You let a man die for a ship? Who does that?”
Don’t forget: “It’s all about the tumbl(e)rs.” Actual line written by A&E for a SF flashback scene after Neal’s death. (Really, lock picking is more about the pins, except in this case, it was about the tumbl(e)rs.)
Dont hate me for changing my avatar. I am weak.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"RG, you have nothing to apologize for. I am, despite the trajectory this show is heading toward, still very much a Rumbeller. *Points to own wedding avatar of Belle*
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
RG, you have nothing to apologize for. I am, despite the trajectory this show is heading toward, still very much a Rumbeller. *Points to own wedding avatar of Belle*
*hugs*
I wish the scene hadn’t been tainted by Rumple’s lying and horribleness with murder…but still. I’ve been begging for that scene since S1.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love". I’ve been begging for that scene since S1
Oh yes, the music was beautiful, the dress was gorgeously made, it was just…ahhh I wish it could have been longer and not, ya know, filled with lies. Definetly one of OUAT’s best.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICOK, saw the grave scene on gifs, and omg, was horrible. Not going to mention that this scene should have been done like in S3 finale. But really, that is not a father mourning a son, no desperation, the speach was all about himself, not how his son lost his chance at happy ending, and they comparing the love for Bae with love for belle, is like wow, im no mother but there is no biger love than a parent for his/her child, and even if that same child asked his father to be happy and the same goes to emma( but not even mention that, bc jmo is already talking about emma loving hook, and that is not the cause of this post), is that are 5 stages of grief, and no way rumple have them all in like 3 of 4 days since Neal died. Bet wthere will be maybe a henry /rumple scene on the next epi, probably a mention to Bae as a child, and that`s it no more mention at all. And lets not Forget that now they are hinting that Rumple took the dagger to gain power, not to save his son and other children from the ogre wars.Is just like barbara said,felt off, like was probably there to make fanservice, for the fans not say rumple forgot about neal.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
The graveyard scene gave me conflicting feels.
First of all, Bobby’s fabulous, there’s no disputing that, it’s not his fault if they give him certain things to say, he played what he was given like a pro.
When he started recalling the father/son moment from long ago, that was tug at the heartstrings kinda stuff. I didn’t mind that he said it was the first time he’d felt like a real man, because it felt to me like a moment of wanting his son to know how much that time had meant to him and that he hadn’t forgotten it, despite the many years since that had corrupted himself and their relationship. I do understand the argument that it was selfish in tone though, can totally see how it can be read that way.
The first bit that jarred for me was when he mentioned Belle, because it felt like, “But no biggie, I’m not alone even though you’re dead, coz I’ve got someone else to love now,” which…no…just…wrong.
Admitting he was making the same mistakes in that relationship though, that’s a positive, he knows he’s being an idiot all over again, and you can’t have redemption without some self realisation and accepting your flaws in the first place.
But then he tried to justify what he’d done with, “But I had to, so I could avenge your death.” Like, dude, I know I just gave you points for self realisation a second ago, but I’m taking them all away and then some because your son doesn’t wanna hear you justifying killing anyone for any reason and that’s a thing you should bloody well know! *HEADDESK*
Then he vowed to do better, which was a plus. But then later in the ep he stole the Dagger back from Belle again, so really he’s not trying too hard to keep that promise he just made to Neal, is he?
I did appreciate the note it ended on though, where he said, “Your heroism showed me the way,” because it almost felt like maybe they were trying to retcon that STUPIDITY from the death scene when Neal credited Rumple with having been the good influence that he learned selflessnes from, and good God that line makes me RAGE, so seeing Rumple essentially admit that Neal was the better, stronger, braver one, I liked that.
So, the problem with that scene as a whole was that if we were gonna get Rumple at Neal’s grave, it shouldn’t have been a moment that was soured with those glaring negatives, because it just makes the whole thing feel like salt in the wound and not entirely genuine. They coulda kept it simple, had him TRY to find words, but inevitably just had him give up and kneel down and cry and say, “I’m so sorry Bae,” and that would have been pretty much perfect. It would have echoed his hopelessness and heartbreak in the scene right after the portal closed and Bae was gone. It’d get across the message that he’s grieving the loss of his son intensely, and he knows he’s still screwing up, and then if we saw him do things after that like giving up the Dagger, it’d still be clear that the grave moment was the moment when he resolved to do better in the aftermath of losing his son (again) because it had effected him on a profound I-can’t-even-find-words-to-say level. They just made the whole thing too elaborate and butchered the over all emotion of it in the process.
I think they expected a lot of new viewers with the Frozen stuff, so the graveyard scene was more about exposition for new viewers than anything else. I think that’s why some of it felt, to those of us who know the whole story anyway, unnatural.
And I don’t think Rumple was comparing his love for Belle with his love for Bae; we’ve seen him choose Bae over Belle multiple times before. He just said “Now I have love in my life again,” which doesn’t at all mean the same thing…he’s telling Neal that he’s married to Belle now. And that seems to be the first thing he does after getting married–before his honeymoon–so he’s being true to his character in putting his son first again. That much I was pleased to see.
And at least he gave the dagger back before the dance, even if he took it back again.
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