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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I will not watch the show, but I can’t stay away from here! I enjoyed your reviews RG. I wish I could just go away, but I am invested too much and I want to understand this train wreck – the show and the audience. I hate the idea of villains getting happy endings while heroes get nothing but abandonment, selective attentiveness and poor judgement. I don’t want my children mimicking the behaviors of the main characters of this show.
Okay I watched last night’s season 4 premiere and I gotta say I was not impressed at all by it. The only things I liked was Belle & Rumple’s dance to Beauty & The Beast, I liked the CGI of the Trolls and the Snow Monster.
I’m not really sure what to make about the Frozen stuff yet but I am intrigued by Elsa apparently recognizing Rumple in the newspaper.
I do have to admit the casting for Elsa & Anna and Kristoff is pretty realistic and very much on par based on the animation from the movie. For a minute there I thought I was watching an animation of Kristoff.
The whole Regina/Robin Hood/Marian triangle just doesn’t seem natural at all as matter of fact it seems very out of place. It felt very wooden to me like they were each just going through through the motions but there wasn’t any heart or depth to it.
Rumple visiting Neal’s grave for the first also fell short. I normally love Robert Carlyle’s performances as Rumple/Mr. Gold but the scene was completely unnatural. It seemed very out of place given how much Rumple loved Neal. I tweeted Adam last night and I asked him this question based on Rumple’s speech at Neal’s grave.
@AdamHorowitzLA Rumple took on the Dark One Curse to save Bae & other kids in their village why are you changing his reasons to all power ?
— Lisa Stevens (@LisaStevens_AER) September 29, 2014
I doubt very seriously I’ll get an answer but I felt that the question needed to be addressed of why the sudden change if they aren’t Reconstituting Rumple’s relationship with his son.
Anyway Bobby’s performance really fell short. The impression I got was that he didn’t really have his heart in this scene. To me as in the scene with Regina & Company outside of Granny’s Diner it felt very wooden. There was no heart felt depth or emotion and that is definitely not Rumple at all.
Now to the Charming Family. There really isn’t much to say except I agree that the short scenr where David says we should have named him Baelfire was most likely put in there as Adam’s & Eddy’s and the rest of the writers room way of saying to the SwanFire & Neal Fans “You guys want to give us a lot of backlash and criticize us for killing Neal and having the baby named after him okay but just know it could have been so much worse” Basically in my opinion it was their way of telling fans do not criticize us or create anymore backlash on the internet.
The one I got out of Emma & Snow’s scene with baby Snowflake is that Emma really feels guilty over causing Regina pain for saving Marian and I think Emma may even feel guilty about losing Neal and at the same time trying to forge the thing that she has with Hook.
Henry we really didn’t see enough of him the season premiere but I think that although he seems like he is handling Neal’s death on the outside underneath I don’t think he is and that I assume will most likely start to either come out in different ways especially once he finds out about Emma & Hook which wouldn’t shock me if that starts happening next week. That is probably what starts him on the path to work for Rumple and eventually to help Regina as far as the book goes
The Rumple/Belle scenes were about the only things that was actually tolerable, except for maybe the CGI of the trolls and the Snow Monster. The scene in which Rumple froze Belle to switch the dagger out was okay. I don’t know about the rest of you but I definitely understand Rumple’s motivations & justification for Killing Zelena in the first place back in season 3. Believe it or not I get why Rumple felt he had to lie to Belle in order to avenge the death of his son. Yeah I know realistically that Neal wouldn’t want that but I can understand why Rumple would despite the fact that it won’t bring his son back to life. Rumple had every reason to want Zelena to pay for what she did to Neal and to him plus I also saw it as Rumple protecting what is left of his family which in his mind would be Bellle, Henry, Emma, The Charmings & Regina.
Now on the Regina, Sidney and the Mirror it was with great anticipation that I was looking forward to seeing Sidney back but those whole scenes really felt hollow there was no depth or feelings to any of them even when poor Sidney was put back into the mirror
Now for Emma & Hook The only thing I took away from their scenes is that Emma feels guilty over her part in what Regina is now dealing with because of her actions in the past to save Marian. And that Emma is avoiding Hook for other reasons then just her guilt over Regina /Robin/Marian debacle. As I said before I think Emma’s avoidence of Hook may stem from her losing Neal and the guilt she feels over that loss of the only man she’s ever really loved.
All in All if I was grading this episode I would give it a D-
Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking StickThanks to all those that read either of the reviews or both. Means a lot.
I will not watch the show, but I can’t stay away from here! I enjoyed your reviews RG. I wish I could just go away, but I am invested too much and I want to understand this train wreck – the show and the audience. I hate the idea of villains getting happy endings while heroes get nothing but abandonment, selective attentiveness and poor judgement. I don’t want my children mimicking the behaviors of the main characters of this show.
You’re always welcome to come bemoan the show here with us 🙂
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They did some honeymoon stuff before going to see Neal.
It would also say more than beloved son
I was expecting a “Beloved Son & Father” as well.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICA pretty thing:
You just m i s s it. [x]
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Now for Emma & Hook The only thing I took away from their scenes is that Emma feels guilty over her part in what Regina is now dealing with because of her actions in the past to save Marian. And that Emma is avoiding Hook for other reasons then just her guilt over Regina /Robin/Marian debacle. As I said before I think Emma’s avoidence of Hook may stem from her losing Neal and the guilt she feels over that loss of the only man she’s ever really loved.
I agree. When Emma kissed Hook, it felt more like she was just trying to avoid his question by distracting him rather than an I love you kiss. I think Emma is still mourning Neal. She’s coming up with excuses, she’s worried about what Henry is going to think, she doesn’t feel ready to jump head first into a new relationship so soon. Also why does Hook think Emma is avoiding him when it’s only been “almost a full day” since their kiss (basing that time frame on Rumple saying he and Belle had been married “almost a full day” and the CS kiss happened at the same time as the wedding). Was Hook expecting Emma to suddenly be attached to his hip?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI agree. When Emma kissed Hook, it felt more like she was just trying to avoid his question by distracting him rather than an I love you kiss. I think Emma is still mourning Neal. She’s coming up with excuses, she’s worried about what Henry is going to think, she doesn’t feel ready to jump head first into a new relationship so soon. ?
It’s difficult for me to understand Emma’s mindset as of late. In 3×16, Emma told Henry she’d found his father again, but that it was too late. Too late for what? Too late for Henry to say goodbye? Too late for Emma and Neal to talk? Too late for Emma and Neal to get their second chance? While I know she said she’s tired of living in the past, she never really dealt with it. Instead, she told Neal in the Echo Cave that it was easier for her to put everything behind her than it was for them to live through all the pain again. Yet, that isn’t really character growth if Emma never dealt with the past issues. Instead, she just buried them when she symbolically put that dirt on Neal’s coffin. Is Emma feeling guilty about her confession that it would’ve been easier on her if Neal had died in the S2 finale than it was when she discovered he was alive in NL? Is Neal’s death even remotely affecting Emma? Does she feel badly about the fact that she was unable to save him in 3×15 and again in 3×22? Is she simply transferring her feelings of true love for Neal onto Hook–someone who also had a strong tie to Neal? I’m not so sure. If I had any faith in the writers portraying Emma faithfully and showing real internal conflict, I might be inclined to believe that interpretation.
However, I think Emma avoiding Hook is simply more of the same of Emma in S3b: Emma has her walls up which Hook has to try and knock down. It’s just a big set up for Hook to thaw Emma’s frozen heart. (Although, if OUAT were really being faithful to the spirit of Frozen, which put family before romantic love, they’d have it be Henry, rather than Hook, thaw his mother’s heart out. After all, this is supposed to be Emma and Henry’s fairytale, not the tale about Emma and the pirate captain).
Also why does Hook think Emma is avoiding him when it’s only been “almost a full day” since their kiss (basing that time frame on Rumple saying he and Belle had been married “almost a full day” and the CS kiss happened at the same time as the wedding). Was Hook expecting Emma to suddenly be attached to his hip
Yes, that is exactly what Hook was expecting, especially since he let it be known he gave up his ship for her.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I often want to post, but you guys say it much better :-). This show really frustrates me. It has such potential to be epic and uplifting. I haven’t felt hope or happiness with it since before 3A. Yet it was so good season one and into season two. The stilted GOAT story just threw everything off and it hasn’t recovered since.
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