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Ah! That’s fascinating. I was wondering this exact thing, i.e. whether there was a couple of writers who were super pro-Hook. Mystery solved! Of course, her leaving isn’t necessarily a sign that things will suddenly improve. I’m sure they have a party line. Although I also have the impression that the right hand doesn’t always know what the left one is up to.
I think it would be interesting to list the episodes and their writers where Hook’s darker side is shown (post season 2) and episodes where the gist is “look how great Hook is or Poor Hook” and see which writers fall into which camp. On the writers camp special feature where A&E asked what should happen to CS, one of the writers shouted out “Kill them off”. It wouldn’t surprise me if some writers were more enamoured with Hook than others which is why we get some episodes like the Jolly Roger where Emma is all “Oh no Hook, I don’t want to know what you did in the missing year, you keep that secret all to yourself” Whilst other episodes like Mother we see Hook’s bully boy side emerge then he acts all sweetness and light towards Emma like Jekyll and Hyde. So basically which writers wrote which episodes for season 3 and 4?
I realy would love to know what would be Neal’s reaction to the current situations going on right within the show if he were still alive.
I’m attempting to write a fanfiction (it’s slow going because I’ve written so many chapter 1s but I know the general direction I want the story to take) It’s set 9 months later after season 4 (I like to keep my fanfics somewhat in canon so the events of season 5 have been resolved at this point). Henry attempts to bring back Neal but things don’t go according to plan (It will be proper Neal, not ZombieNeal or “came back wrong” Neal).
The main issue I have with chapter 1 at the moment is do I explain/show why Henry has come to this decision and his motivation or do I just jump to him doing what he needs to do then sort of explain away the reasons in dialogue?
The two main questions I have to answer is: Why Rumple and Regina haven’t attempted this? and since it’s supposedly against the laws of magic, but the laws can be broken as proved by the time travel spell, how Henry manages it?
Also on a side note, who would you credit for breaking the time travel law of magic? Zelena or CS because they were the ones that travelled?
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Keeper of FelixJust a few notes in passing:
–I think all the writers are pro-Hook. They’ve swallowed their own kool-aid as it were. I don’t think it’s one singular (or even two or three) writers. For Adam and Eddy he’s clearly their wish fulfillment guy. Kalinda obviously liked him. Jane has talked about Hook and Spike’s similarities and how that helps her understand and write Hook (which makes me vomit but moving on)
–Happy Wednesday
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Just a few notes in passing:
–I think all the writers are pro-Hook. They’ve swallowed their own kool-aid as it were. I don’t think it’s one singular (or even two or three) writers. For Adam and Eddy he’s clearly their wish fulfillment guy. Kalinda obviously liked him. Jane has talked about Hook and Spike’s similarities and how that helps her understand and write Hook (which makes me vomit but moving on)
–Happy Wednesday
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Happy wednesday!!
U are been busy, i see, have to say i agree with all of you.
I see many of you wanted stories about Neal reaction, i know of some writers that are doing that, as soon as they post stories , i will put the links here.
Talking about stories, very few fan fiction writers make me love Sf this days, mainly bc at this point, Neal deserved better if he was still alive, but there is a new story SF and CS, i may say, that when i read the 1st chapter i was like, ok, this so will end with Neal giving his blessing to CS, in fact meresger thought the same and left a very angry comment about it, however my surprise, is that the 2nd chapter really has a twist that makes both Sf and maybe Cs happy. I have to say there is more SF than Cs, at least for now, pity the writers dont do something like this, would explain many inconsistences in emma character. Spoiler: u may get a dark emma version( i say emma version, bc the twist is here) trying to kill hook.
Here is the story: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258059/1/The-Dark-One-Rises
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I think all the writers are pro-Hook. They’ve swallowed their own kool-aid as it were. I don’t think it’s one singular (or even two or three) writers. For Adam and Eddy he’s clearly their wish fulfillment guy. Kalinda obviously liked him. Jane has talked about Hook and Spike’s similarities and how that helps her understand and write Hook (which makes me vomit but moving on)
This ^^^^
About the new writer is going to be even worst, bc appears she never wrote anything important, so to show work she will go along with what the others writers tell her, she was probably already brainwashed with the idea that CS is amazing and almost bet if she sees ouat, will be only S4, to catch the previous season and im being nice, bc my vibe is that she wont see past seasons and will only know what the other writers tell her. There is a saying in my country that, translated to english may lose the vibe a bit , but goes like this:” behind me will come , who will make me look good”.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
About the new writer is going to be even worst, bc appears she never wrote anything important, so to show work she will go along with what the others writers tell her, she was probably already brainwashed with the idea that CS is amazing and almost bet if she sees ouat, will be only S4
Well, be fair. Just because she never wrote anything important doesn’t mean that she’ll be the worst. Ever writer does have to start somewhere. Once upon a time even Jane Espenson was a nobody and while her episodes as of late are pretty lackluster, she did give us Skin Deep and Desperate Souls because she honed her craft and because she had good show runners. She might be a brilliant writer but like I said to you earlier about Balas and Bates, it comes down to the showrunners and their vision. Look at Scott Nimfaro; he is pretty clearly on the SQ train but he has to write what A and E tell him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well, be fair. Just because she never wrote anything important doesn’t mean that she’ll be the worst. Ever writer does have to start somewhere. Once upon a time even Jane Espenson was a nobody and while her episodes as of late are pretty lackluster, she did give us Skin Deep and Desperate Souls because she honed her craft and because she had good show runners. She might be a brilliant writer but like I said to you earlier about Balas and Bates, it comes down to the showrunners and their vision. Look at Scott Nimfaro; he is pretty clearly on the SQ train but he has to write what A and E tell him.
Im not saying worst in the sense she writes awful, in saying in terms of being pro hook writer, in saying that since she will never wrote aything on tv, she will be eager to show stuff so she will do what her bosses will tell her, example i dont see A&E telling Jane or andrew how they should write, bc they have credits from other shows, im saying she will be worst bc she comes like a white board , so she will be easy manipulated to sell something mainly bc she wants to show work and gain credits with A&E and with ABC, so when she starts writing hook, she will have the perception that Hook is a hero, a great person, meaning that any epi she will write her perception of the show was given by the people that want you to believe and wont let you have other insight, i mean they wont say to her, u know there was the character Neal, he and emma were supposed to end together but we had to chnage story bc ABC made us, if they even explain to her who was neal, they will mostly say he was always meant to die, he was not important.
Because no way would A&E be able to manipulate, for example, if they had a writer joining the team, with lots of awards, lots of shows written, A&E as show runners would have the last word, but this writer would be treated diferent from someone that never wrote anything in tv,bc for sure this award winner writer would see past seasons, would try to learn who the characters are, and would question them about certain decisions, but a writer that never wtote anything in tv, doesnt know how this world works, that enters in a writing team in a S5 of a show, will probably hear that she doesnt need to see past seasons and that they fill her on the story they want her to know.
Yeah, about Bill Balas, means a lot about the show runners( lets not forget that this is the 1st time of A&E being show runners and is awfull, unlike GOS showrunners that have many years of this), but there is also a thing with Bill, if he is really joining GOS writing team( by the way a writing team , involves, main writers, staff writers, editor writers, script writer, and maybe some more), he will do it in a show that is starting, like Jane was when she came in S1, so he will be in same level that all the writers, totally diferent from OUAT case, like u said Scott, well not sure he is so SQ, or he just likes writing them,but even him was manipulated recently, since he said that the consequences of issues like rape culture or rape or PTSD dont need to be treated on ouat bc is simply a show, that people understand that in real life things dont work like that, so he also was manipulated to say those things, bc i almost bet he only saw maybe S3, or S3B if he actually saw anything at all.
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And let’s just talk about these horrible plot twists…
Neal being killed off so Hook can have Emma to himself…do they not register that Henry would be losing a father before making this terrible decision! Do they not see that you are continuing what can be considered by most as a generational curse to not have Neal raise his son, like Rumple should have raised him, and Pan before them, and Pan’s father before them! This was the one opportunity to end that fatherless line, but they screwed it up to make a ship happen! Yes, we all wanted SwanFire, but if we couldn’t have the icing on the cake, at least give us the cake and let Neal have the opportunity to raise his son!
Snow and Charming have become moralizing baby snatchers….seriously, I much more preferred Seasons 1, 2, 3 than this Season 4….their brightest moment was when Snow was fixing the power outage, and when they were cursed with Shattered Sight, and the most recent AU Episode. Besides that…Snowing haven’t really been interesting in quite a while.
Rumpelstilskin has an instant redemption, I mean after all the hell he’s raised this past season, he gets the purest heart on the show without even working for it! I would have at least preferred to see Rumple work for his redemption as a mortal in Season 5 with Belle by his side. And am I the only one concerned that Hook is going to try to make a play for Rumple’s life since he is now human…..and actually get away with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He spent two hundred to three hundred years hunting this man, you can’t tell me he’s not going to try to come for him because he’s been this dating Emma for all of what…three months in Once time?
Regina is infertile, seriously???!!! So Zelena can have a child, but Regina can’t??? A slap in the face for anyone who wanted an OutlawQueen Princess….somebody has something against OutlawQueen in that writing room! Regina has suffered, and has been screwed over more than just about anyone else, thank you Isaac for finally pointing that out, and to have to watch your sister give birth to your soul mate’s baby….and you can’t have one for him yourself….what writing is this!!! Isaac said that somebody in high places was looking out for Regina, so I’m holding out that they at least make her fertile enough to have at least one child!
Robin Hood’s character being flipped flop….never in any series besides soap operas have I seen a character flip flop as much as Robin Hood. It’s like there are four different writers writing his character in the same episode, and Season 4 Robin is definitely different from Season 3. I don’t know what happened in Season 4, but can we get Season 3 version of Robin Hood back….no way would he just dismiss Regina when she’s coming to him out of concern that Marian is Zelena! No way would Robin Hood shag Zelena only a few weeks after he left Regina, unless what Sean Maguire said was true and Zelena got Robin drunk and took advantage of him.
WickedSisters….had so much freaking potential but it’s gotten (beeped) on too much! And I still say that if Adam and Eddy still wanted to pull it off successfully, that it should have been done during the Frozen Arc where the true love of sisterhood is front and center. The things Elsa and Anna could have taught Regina and Zelena would have been worthwhile, and don’t get me wrong…it would have still been Emma front and center, but just seeing the relationship Elsa and Anna had could have encouraged WickedSisters to try to pursue something akin to that.
Hook literally getting away with everything he’s ever done in life…and they want us to believe that all the bad things he did for Pan was go out and get cakes. Yeah…I don’t think so Adam and Eddy.
And they think we can’t see the slow downhill OUAT has become, a show that has become polluted with super crazy stalker fans, shipping wars, character assassinations, terrible plot driven stories, it’s a fandom pleasing show that has lost all self-respect to give the fans what they want and not the truth that the fans need! And they don’t think we see or know these travesties….but Adam and Eddy….
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give the fans what they want and not the truth that the fans need!
A while ago, one of Librarians writers, Exec pro and show runners when asked, how can they write a story when all fans want something and sometimes may not like what they see on the show and if they would change their story to please fans, his answer was:”The secret is to give fans what they NEED and not what they WANT”.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
And let’s just talk about these horrible plot twists…
Neal being killed off so Hook can have Emma to himself…do they not register that Henry would be losing a father before making this terrible decision! Do they not see that you are continuing what can be considered by most as a generational curse to not have Neal raise his son, like Rumple should have raised him, and Pan before them, and Pan’s father before them! This was the one opportunity to end that fatherless line, but they screwed it up to make a ship happen! Yes, we all wanted SwanFire, but if we couldn’t have the icing on the cake, at least give us the cake and let Neal have the opportunity to raise his son!
I agree. Not only that, but if they really wanted to pursue CS, why did they not have Emma CHOOSE Hook instead of killing off Neal? Neal dying so that CS could go ahead is only evidence that Hook could never have got with Emma on his own merits.
Snow and Charming have become moralizing baby snatchers….seriously, I much more preferred Seasons 1, 2, 3 than this Season 4….their brightest moment was when Snow was fixing the power outage, and when they were cursed with Shattered Sight, and the most recent AU Episode. Besides that…Snowing haven’t really been interesting in quite a while.
Season 3 was bad for Snow as well, her speech in the echo cave about how she wanted another baby since Emma was essentially too old to play mommy to really annoyed me. Charming manages to get away with it more because he’s not so in your face as Snow is.
Rumpelstilskin has an instant redemption, I mean after all the hell he’s raised this past season, he gets the purest heart on the show without even working for it! I would have at least preferred to see Rumple work for his redemption as a mortal in Season 5 with Belle by his side. And am I the only one concerned that Hook is going to try to make a play for Rumple’s life since he is now human…..and actually get away with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He spent two hundred to three hundred years hunting this man, you can’t tell me he’s not going to try to come for him because he’s been this dating Emma for all of what…three months in Once time?
I don’t think the white heart necessarily means a pure heart, Belle’s heart is pure and that is a bright glowing red. I think the white heart is literally a blank slate. The darkness was removed but it is up to Rumple to redeem himself and work towards good or if he starts to fill it with darkness again.
You’re not the only one concerned WR. Hook showed his bullying side in Mother when he deliberately went into the diner to gloat and knew Rumple couldn’t do anything without making his situation worse which Rumple was trying to avoid. It could all backfire on Hook though with the audience if he tries it again in season 5 with a powerless weakened Rumple.
Regina is infertile, seriously???!!! So Zelena can have a child, but Regina can’t??? A slap in the face for anyone who wanted an OutlawQueen Princess….somebody has something against OutlawQueen in that writing room! Regina has suffered, and has been screwed over more than just about anyone else, thank you Isaac for finally pointing that out, and to have to watch your sister give birth to your soul mate’s baby….and you can’t have one for him yourself….what writing is this!!! Isaac said that somebody in high places was looking out for Regina, so I’m holding out that they at least make her fertile enough to have at least one child!
Regina being infertile doesn’t bother me, they can still have their OQ princess/prince via adoption, though Zelarian was supposed to fix the OQ situation not make it worse. What I dislike is the notion that, because Regina’s infertile, she’s is just going to take Zelena’s baby by force and play mom to that. I know Zelena’s horrible and all that and the conception was morally wrong etc, but the whole idea doesn’t sit right with me. Also the fact that Regina was willing to give Zelena a second chance after she’d enslaved Rumple and killed Neal, yet now that Zelena has messed with Robin, Regina is going to make her pay by taking her baby and never let her see it, makes Regina come across as very hypocritical. This baby could be Zelena’s second chance that Regina wanted to give her in 3B.
Robin Hood’s character being flipped flop….never in any series besides soap operas have I seen a character flip flop as much as Robin Hood. It’s like there are four different writers writing his character in the same episode, and Season 4 Robin is definitely different from Season 3. I don’t know what happened in Season 4, but can we get Season 3 version of Robin Hood back….no way would he just dismiss Regina when she’s coming to him out of concern that Marian is Zelena! No way would Robin Hood shag Zelena only a few weeks after he left Regina, unless what Sean Maguire said was true and Zelena got Robin drunk and took advantage of him.
I have to agree. Season 3 Robin, whilst his attraction to Regina seemed a bit rushed IMO, was a more consistently written character than season 4 Robin. Season 4 Robin was so annoying, I was glad he wasn’t in half of 4B. AU Robin was more likeable (up to the point where he still married Zelena despite clearly having feelings for Regina, who in their right mind hesitates during their wedding vows because they were staring at another woman?). I would go so far as to say, up until that point of the episode, I was shipping AU OutlawQueen.
WickedSisters….had so much freaking potential but it’s gotten (beeped) on too much! And I still say that if Adam and Eddy still wanted to pull it off successfully, that it should have been done during the Frozen Arc where the true love of sisterhood is front and center. The things Elsa and Anna could have taught Regina and Zelena would have been worthwhile, and don’t get me wrong…it would have still been Emma front and center, but just seeing the relationship Elsa and Anna had could have encouraged WickedSisters to try to pursue something akin to that.
I agree. I think it is too late to have a happy WickedSisters relationship, too much has happened and Zelena’s hatred of Regina runs too deep.
Hook literally getting away with everything he’s ever done in life…and they want us to believe that all the bad things he did for Pan was go out and get cakes. Yeah…I don’t think so Adam and Eddy.
I fully believe murder was part of the dirty work Hook did. I reckon he drowned Tiger Lily (the indian village was on the Neverland map Pan gave Emma), also whatever Hook did to Rufio. Pan let Hook leave Neverland, I doubt he would’ve done that if Hook had murdered one of the lost boys unless it was on Pan’s orders.
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