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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
On another note, I âm glad I listened to Slurpeezâs advice to watch Poldark, and suddenly I can totally get the fangirl hysteria mind in a way I never have before. Because, oh my. But its a miniseries, and I feel relaxed in knowing the story will have definite progression and an end to it.
I’m glad you’re enjoying it! S1 of Poldark is good, and I enjoyed watching it. However, it’s not all sunshine and roses, and the mini-series doesn’t conclude after S1. There is going to be a S2, which likely won’t come out until 2016.
Though had MRJ still been on the show, a great story to tell would have been had the darkness tried to attach itself to Emma, but Neal used the dagger to attach it to himselfâŠthus Season 5 could have been a real season parallel with Rumple seeing through Bae, how being the Dark One changed him, and paralleling past Rumple and Bae with Neal and Henry. Though with this show, you canât have nice things, mostly due to the fact you risk upsetting a fandom.
I’m happy MRJ is away from all the madness, but I agree that I would’ve liked to have seen this story play out for Emma and Neal.
What a shame all the ships, canon or not, just canât co-exist within the Fandom without having to go to war with one another.
It does get really tiresome with all the drama, which is one reason I can’t even interact with the people in the fandom outside of this safe-haven.
Technically JMo just clarified that Emmaâs sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens werenât exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away.
It doesn’t really matter what JMo reportedly said about Emma’s sacrifice, because one must keep in mind that JMo is also trying to appease her ardent and vocal CS fan base, who’re upset because in the same sentence Emma said she loved the pirate, she sacrificed herself for Regina. Nothing JMo could say could take away from what was actually revealed in the script though. Like RG said, show, don’t tell. The finale showed Emma sacrificing herself to spare Regina. You know the whole thing of “actions speak louder than words.” No amount of interpretation can detract from what actually occurred on screen and what was revealed in the script itself.
Emma to Regina: “You worked too hard to have your happiness destroyed.”
Emma didn’t become the dark one to save the town, because the darkness was already being contained in Regina. The darkness wasn’t out to destroy Snow, Charming, Hook or Henry. The darkness was trying to snuff out Regina’s light, and Regina was on the verge of becoming the next dark one. Instead, Emma decided to became the dark one to spare Regina that fate, because Regina had come too far to go back, according to Emma.
Why would CS fans be upset over this? Because true love is about making sacrifices, and Emma just put her life and her very soul on the line, not to save their beloved pirate, but Regina. The SQers have a point. There is a lot of SQ subtext, and some not-so-subtle displays of love. How many times now have Emma and Regina saved each other and/or the world using their combined magic? Now, I’m not a SQ shipper, but I do understand where they’re coming from. I think Emma and Regina make a really good and powerful team. I think they really do see each other as family, as the co-mothers of Henry. I think Emma and Regina really love each other too, as friends, and they’re becoming increasingly close like sisters. At the very least, Regina and Emma are friends–close and loving friends who sacrifice for each other. In the ancient world, friendship (philios in Greek) was seen as a form of true love, which is where this idea of brotherly (or sisterly) love comes from. And brotherly love refers not only to biological siblings but extends to friendship.
Even though Regina and Emma say they love Robin and Hook romantically, those ladies’ actions of sacrifice show how much those two ladies really care about each other. I think the SQ fans are right in their assessment that Emma and Regina do really love each other, but where I think they might be have misinterpreted that bond is in declaring it to be romantic. After all, there are many different kinds of love, friendship being one of them. I think Emma and Regina share a kind of love that can be found between platonic best friends and family. Just because that love may not be romantic doesn’t make it any less real.
A lot to catch up on. I emphatically agree with RG about Yvette. These writers are attempting to write âcomplicatedâ feelings and situations where nothing is as easy and cut and dry as the standard fairy tale of âyou only love once after you meet, sing a song, have a magical kiss and are married happily ever afterâ, and the writers also tend to suggest a lot of unspoken things offscreen, and introduce huge twists all the time…. Itâs a fairy tale, and a subverted one, so thereâs always going to be a sense of the possible being limited only by imagination (even if the more powerful limit is the behind the scenes factors of TV ratings in Hollywood).
Exactly. Emma and Regina have become best friends who happen to co-parent Henry together. That is an intriguing sort of modern “happy ending” that I think it’s an interesting “twist” on the hero-vs-villain story. It reminds me of Sex and the City when Mr. Big, the man in Carrie’s life, declares to her three best friends: “You’re the loves of her life, and a guy would be lucky to come in fourth.” The point was that those ladies all placed friendship even before romance with men. “Sisters before misters” goes the saying. While that concept certainly appeals to modern women, the idea of close friendship is itself timeless.
"Thatâs how you know youâve really got a home. When you leave it, thereâs this feeling that you canât shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I should just quote Slurpeez’s whole post there and write “THAT”. I definitely think fandoms tend to get a little too caught up with the romance aspect, but then on this show the writers are equally to blame for encouraging some of that by their choice of how they focus the stories and the dialog they choose, things they tweet and most of all, how much they leave unsaid and offscreen.
One of my favorite things about Wonderland was that Will and Alice had a significant friendship–and one of my least favorite things about his turn on OUAT is that the writers didn’t find a way to use Will ‘s story but just went for Soap Opera 101, put him in a love triangle.  Will would have worked MUCH better as a friend to Belle and Robin and give him some plot-based thing to do, perhaps building on his knowledge and time from Wonderland.
So I’ve asked myself, how would I look at Emma’s dialog in that scene if Robin, Snow, Regina, Henry, Hook or Charming said it? I think if it were Henry or Snow, I’d automatically assume it was mostly about wanting to protect Regina but also the town from what Regina could become. If Hook and Charming, I’d be less sure they care about Regina herself, but definitely wanting to stop a menace from being created.  So with Emma, I think the story is more like for Henry and Snow–she’s come to care about Regina as part of her family, respects her progress to being a better person but still aware that a big pile of darkness could create a huge problem for everyone. I wouldn’t see it the same as for Robin, who mostly would be concerned for Regina, more than the affect on the town. It’s not that he’d doom the town, but more of his motivation would be how to protect this woman he loves, less worry that she’d potentially hurt others (as he’s never seemed to worry overly much about that aspect of her history).  Then again, that’s partially a thing the writers do–no one really remembers Regina was the Evil Queen unless they’re pointing out how different she is now.  I remember Neal giving Rumple the stink eye about using magic to knock people out, and then not batting an eye when Regina did that exact thing….the way this show is written, well, sometimes its best not to think so hard when the writers don’t even bother to explain some of the apparent contradictions in how characters behave.
Anyway, that’s how I view the context, and I think J.Mo could have crafted a nicer response that recognizes the journey and development of her character’s attitude towards Regina as opposed to trying to play up “this was just about saving the town”. It reminds me a little of J.Mo saying something like people were confused about why Emma would save Neal in Neverland, and reminding people he was the one who knew the way off the island, like that was all that went through Emma’s head, implying Emma didn’t really care about Neal at all other than for his practical value. In trying to avoid saying something that would make an action that wasn’t in her opinion a specifically romantic gesture be viewed as one by fans with a definite bias to their perspective, J.Mo winds up making it seem like she doesn’t think her character cares at all instead–and that’s hardly better, because sooner or later there’s a scene to explain where her character IS acting like she cares (even if not romantic), and it feels inconsistent with what she said before. I’m probably not explaining this well, but I think its a case of saying too much by saying too little.
âIf I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?â -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
One of my favorite things about Wonderland was that Will and Alice had a significant friendshipâand one of my least favorite things about his turn on OUAT is that the writers didnât find a way to use Will âs story but just went for Soap Opera 101, put him in a love triangle.
I’ve decided that Will was never on OUAT. It just never happened.
the way this show is written, well, sometimes its best not to think so hard when the writers donât even bother to explain some of the apparent contradictions in how characters behave.
The show would really like for to not think at all. It just wants us to be buzzy and tweet (with hashtags of course!) and to keep watching. It wants us to be so caught up in the shiny of it all that we don’t stop to ponder what they’re actually saying, doing, and showing
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What an absolute pleasure playing with this guy, @MRaymondJames, on @CarterAndJune. Your spirit is infectious. pic.twitter.com/fUejX15qC7
— đșđŠTimothy OmundsonđșđŠ (@Omundson) June 26, 2015
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Wait, you’re telling me that Timothy Omundson (aka King Richard from Galavant) is starring with MRJ in a movie?! YEEEEEEES! Someone got their casting right! What is this movie Carter and June about?
"Thatâs how you know youâve really got a home. When you leave it, thereâs this feeling that you canât shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Wait, youâre telling me that Timothy Omundson (aka King Richard from Galavant) is starring with MRJ in a movie?! YEEEEEEES! Someone got their casting right! What is this movie Carter and June about?
Still no plot known, i will post some things i know about it. But is a comedy,indie movie that wrapped yesterday and will premiere in 2016
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
@MRaymondJames gonna miss ya bro, would love to stay around if able, gonna miss ya bro! pic.twitter.com/25ArBt5Bwz
— Marcos Gonzales (@marcosgonzo) June 27, 2015
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
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