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I’d agree….but then CS happened. It wasn’t canon for ages, but got promoted as such owing to “wish fulfillment” (Adam’s direct words about the S3 finale). Is CS not also a “semi-incestuous” ship? After all, Hook did have romantic relations with both Henry’s grandma now Henry’s mom. Hook being Bae’s step-dad (counting Milha and Hook’s 7-year relationship as a common-law marriage), sorta makes Hook Emma’s quasi father-in-law, as is Mr. Gold. CS makes as little sense to me as GoldenSwan does, which I never really liked even back S1 before we knew Gold was Henry’s biological grandpa.
I’d count CS as not as semi-incestuous as SQ for the fact that Hook isn’t as familial linked to Emma as Regina is. If it were a Hook/Henry ship then that would be semi-incestuous in the same way as SQ is. CS is not ideal, the Bae connection is the big elephant in the room, and there is other issues there as well but CS doesn’t seem as family connected as SQ.
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Keeper of FelixWhether or not it’s canon shouldn’t matter. They are a part of this fanbase. A HUGE part of it–probably the biggest part. If YNB wants to ignore the questions, she is well within her rights to do so. But bashing them as a whole–because lo and behold not all SQers are BA’s, just like all CSers are not BAs nor all SFers–was wrong and immature.
And whether or not it’s canon doesn’t matter since its the story that is being played on screen. After an entire season in which they were baited to the hilt, I’d have questions too. I’d want to know some stuff. I’d want some answers as well. It will never be romantic on screen but that doesn’t mean that the SQ ship–friendship or otherwise–can be so blatantly ignored after it was played to so heavily for an entire year.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’d count CS as not as semi-incestuous as SQ for the fact that Hook isn’t as familial linked to Emma as Regina is. If it were a Hook/Henry ship then that would be semi-incestuous in the same way as SQ is. CS is not ideal, the Bae connection is the big elephant in the room, and there is other issues there as well but CS doesn’t seem as family connected as SQ.
Well that is sort of splitting hairs to say “not as incestuous” because if we’re going to be technical, neither SQ nor CS is actually incestuous. Neither Regina nor Hook are Emma’s blood relatives after all, which is a necessary requirement for a romantic couple to be counted as incestuous. But both SQ and CS are indeed semi-incestuous, Regina and Hook being legally bound to Emma’s family by marriage (whether common-law or religious). I’m not pro SQ or CS so I don’t really have to try and split hairs too much. I just find it ironic when SQer and CSers argue about which relationship is more incestuous than the other, or more toxic than the other, because I think both pairings are full of flaws, whether or not Regina is directly connected to Emma by a closer degree of separation than is Hook. Both Regina and Hook are more or less bound to Emma and Henry through their relatives. Both Hook and Regina have directly put Emma’s life in jeopardy and terrorized Emma’s family. Neither one is “better” for Emma than the other, though Emma going dark may be a way to take away Emma’s moral high ground and put her on the same level as the other “recovering” villains (e.g. Hook/Regina).
And whether or not it’s canon doesn’t matter since its the story that is being played on screen. After an entire season in which they were baited to the hilt, I’d have questions too. I’d want to know some stuff. I’d want some answers as well. It will never be romantic on screen but that doesn’t mean that the SQ ship–friendship or otherwise–can be so blatantly ignored after it was played to so heavily for an entire year.
Yeah. SQ, platonic or otherwise, has been heavily promoted. After all, Emma did just sacrifice herself to save Regina from becoming the next dark one after Regina has worked hard to fight that darkness in herself.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
And whether or not it’s canon doesn’t matter since its the story that is being played on screen. After an entire season in which they were baited to the hilt, I’d have questions too. I’d want to know some stuff. I’d want some answers as well. It will never be romantic on screen but that doesn’t mean that the SQ ship–friendship or otherwise–can be so blatantly ignored after it was played to so heavily for an entire year.
Yeah. SQ, platonic or otherwise, has been heavily promoted. After all, Emma did just sacrifice herself to save Regina from becoming the next dark one after Regina has worked hard to fight that darkness in herself.
Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And whether or not it’s canon doesn’t matter since its the story that is being played on screen. After an entire season in which they were baited to the hilt, I’d have questions too. I’d want to know some stuff. I’d want some answers as well. It will never be romantic on screen but that doesn’t mean that the SQ ship–friendship or otherwise–can be so blatantly ignored after it was played to so heavily for an entire year.
Yeah. SQ, platonic or otherwise, has been heavily promoted. After all, Emma did just sacrifice herself to save Regina from becoming the next dark one after Regina has worked hard to fight that darkness in herself.
Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away.
I guess someone should tell ABC twiter page then
Emma made the ultimate sacrifice to save Regina. Watch this moment again now:https://t.co/8sn93Mcyun
— Once Upon A Time (@OnceABC) June 19, 2015
and is because of this BAIT that they have all the reason to ask questions, and the most funny is that the questions were not even about SQ, were, like to Jen, how is that she says that Emma always had feelings for Hook, when for at least during 30 epis , she played Emma as being disgusted of hook presence, etc.
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Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away
And THAT is the biggest problem with OUAT. What is said vs what is shown. They often are completly out of line. Show don’t tell. The showed Emma sacrificing herself for Regina because Regina worked too hard to get her happy ending taken away. They showed Emma and Regina trading very long looks while the blackness took Emma. They showed Emma in Charming’s clothes and Regina in Snow’s. They showed all season long that Emma considers her and Regina to be alike in many way. That’s what they keep doing. So yeah, I’d have some Swen questions too after a whole season of bait.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away
And THAT is the biggest problem with OUAT. What is said vs what is shown. They often are completly out of line. Show don’t tell. The showed Emma sacrificing herself for Regina because Regina worked too hard to get her happy ending taken away. They showed Emma and Regina trading very long looks while the blackness took Emma. They showed Emma in Charming’s clothes and Regina in Snow’s. They showed all season long that Emma considers her and Regina to be alike in many way. That’s what they keep doing. So yeah, I’d have some Swen questions too after a whole season of bait.
And not just that, Jmo and lana actually bait as well, in fact , lana screamed Sq when she left the stage at paris and sign autographs to SQ fans with the line: Long Live SwanQueen, the fans didnt force her to write that, meaning she wrote that to BAIT the SQ fans. And lets be honest here, Lana is major at baiting SQ fans, maybe bc she wants to be at peace with them, bc is PR or bc she realises that she needs to pay attention to all her fans, no matter what they ship, or maybe all , but we cant deny that she does it.Just like many SF fans felt bait with the last epis when they suddenly remenber that Neal existed, and were expecting him to appear on the finale, to be shown that no neal,and to listen them stating he has to stay dead for like the million time. They do it to get Ratings, and in that way im sure they wont SQ fans rioting and stop seing, especially bc Sq fans have the biggest fan base.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away
And THAT is the biggest problem with OUAT. What is said vs what is shown. They often are completly out of line. Show don’t tell. The showed Emma sacrificing herself for Regina because Regina worked too hard to get her happy ending taken away. They showed Emma and Regina trading very long looks while the blackness took Emma. They showed Emma in Charming’s clothes and Regina in Snow’s. They showed all season long that Emma considers her and Regina to be alike in many way. That’s what they keep doing. So yeah, I’d have some Swen questions too after a whole season of bait.
And not just that, Jmo and lana actually bait as well, in fact , lana screamed Sq when she left the stage at paris and sign autographs to SQ fans with the line: Long Live SwanQueen, the fans didnt force her to write that, meaning she wrote that to BAIT the SQ fans. And lets be honest here, Lana is major at baiting SQ fans, maybe bc she wants to be at peace with them, bc is PR or bc she realises that she needs to pay attention to all her fans, no matter what they ship, or maybe all , but we cant deny that she does it.Just like many SF fans felt bait with the last epis when they suddenly remenber that Neal existed, and were expecting him to appear on the finale, to be shown that no neal,and to listen them stating he has to stay dead for like the million time. They do it to get Ratings, and in that way im sure they wont SQ fans rioting and stop seing, especially bc Sq fans have the biggest fan base.
True…out of all the shippings in OUAT, SQ may just be the biggest and definetly the most vocal.
Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away
And THAT is the biggest problem with OUAT. What is said vs what is shown. They often are completly out of line. Show don’t tell. The showed Emma sacrificing herself for Regina because Regina worked too hard to get her happy ending taken away. They showed Emma and Regina trading very long looks while the blackness took Emma. They showed Emma in Charming’s clothes and Regina in Snow’s. They showed all season long that Emma considers her and Regina to be alike in many way. That’s what they keep doing. So yeah, I’d have some Swen questions too after a whole season of bait.
Don’t forget the line “My happy ending isn’t with a man,”. Even though they sometimes go about it the wrong way, I sometimes do feel sorry for SQ because they are trying to catch fish that Adam and Eddy keep taking away. As someone above stated, had Neal still been on the show, I guarantee his story would be just as screwed as everyone else’s….Snowing are just boring, OutlawQueen is messy and borderline icky, CaptainSwan is uncomfortably suffocating, and Rumbelle are just screwed…..MRJ should be happy he got out when he did.
Though had MRJ still been on the show, a great story to tell would have been had the darkness tried to attach itself to Emma, but Neal used the dagger to attach it to himself…thus Season 5 could have been a real season parallel with Rumple seeing through Bae, how being the Dark One changed him, and paralleling past Rumple and Bae with Neal and Henry. Though with this show, you can’t have nice things, mostly due to the fact you risk upsetting a fandom.
What a shame all the ships, canon or not, just can’t co-exist within the Fandom without having to go to war with one another.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
A lot to catch up on. I emphatically agree with RG about Yvette. These writers are attempting to write “complicated” feelings and situations where nothing is as easy and cut and dry as the standard fairy tale of “you only love once after you meet, sing a song, have a magical kiss and are married happily ever after”, and the writers also tend to suggest a lot of unspoken things offscreen, and introduce huge twists all the time. It’s hardly fair to suggest that the story we’re seeing is cut and dried and if we can get into the messy questions about Will, Belle, Rumple and Ana–why can’t we wonder what the writers might do with Emma and Regina, Robin and Hook, and conversely, what they might have wanted to do with Neal or might do in the future? It’s a fairy tale, and a subverted one, so there’s always going to be a sense of the possible being limited only by imagination (even if the more powerful limit is the behind the scenes factors of TV ratings in Hollywood).
I still agree with Kiki –I want MRJ far away and don’t want them to ruin Neal. Yet we should be able to talk about the character and his impact at fan events, express a desire to see him back if that’s how we feel, without being branded or tarred with “not fans of the show”, just as people who are hoping for SQ ought to be able to do the same, because the show is set up to allow for just about anything to happen because magic.
Are people not paying attention to the media these days? Given someone in the public eye for as long as Bruce Jenner turning around announcing he is now Caityln, the whole idea that we totally know a person’s inner sexual identity and preferences from their outward behaviors seems woefully outdated. So if in real life it is true that people can discover things about themselves late in life, or at least discover the courage to act on things they felt earlier despite never giving any outward sign–Emma or Regina or anyone else in this story discovering something that’s a shock to the audience in terms of expectations about their love life would hardly be the most unreal twist we’ve had in this show. People should be allowed to ask questions if that might inspire something to happen on the show, and discuss it and Yvette shouldn’t be the one to decide this is outside canon because part of the whole point of these cons is to kind of find out spoilers and to talk about fan preferences and wishes in the hopes it can influence the writers. The writers in turn want to know, because they want to keep telling a story people want to hear, the tricky part for them is trying to gauge which voices translate into ratings, and which do not. I’ve accepted that I’m likely a part of the voices that they dismiss as irrelevant to ratings, not that I ever spoke up so much or even attended a fan event– but still I’d like to think with ratings declining as much as they have that maybe the writers might want to hear from some fans besides those who pushed for this to become the show it has.
On another note, I ‘m glad I listened to Slurpeez’s advice to watch Poldark, and suddenly I can totally get the fangirl hysteria mind in a way I never have before. Because, oh my. But its a miniseries, and I feel relaxed in knowing the story will have definite progression and an end to it.
Another thing I agree with Slurpeez about, of course, to get back to SF, is her interpretation of Jen and Colin’s remarks at that convention. I nodded my head so hard reading Slurpeez’s responses that my poor always-rolling eye-balls at the OUAT writers finally wound up back in the right spots. Then I read about Yvette and they fell out again, but oh well. Anyway, what I find funniest about their answers to the question is that the actors were sitting to either side of Meghan Ory, who’s Red /Ruby was the poster child for the concept that the writers can scale up or down a character’s plot at any time when inspiration strikes. I think its kind of obvious by now that the writers and network executives really loved what they saw out of Colin as Hook and scaled up their plans by the end of Season 2. They also had to scale down their ideas for Neal, after the dismal reception of Tamara and Greg and whatever it was the writers originally intended to do with those characters other than kill them off quick. Of course, by the end of season 4, with ratings still on the decline, the writers will likely have to scale down again to make room for things they think might engage the audience the way Frozen did. I’m not sure Camelot will give them that kind of boost, but who knows. If they cast Aidan Turner, that possibly could do it for me, but my faith in these writers is so low that I think they could manage to make even him unwatchable. Luckily, there are other shows and other writers!
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Happy Friday!!!
So appears that the whole SQ thing, was an example of how bad this fandom can be, someone from a another ship, made a SQ fake twiter account just to tweet a group of questions, from one year ago, that were made by SQ fans, if any of them would be at SDCC, just to make SQ fans look bad.
[warning, has language] http://sqreceipts.tumblr.com/post/122419393184/partial-recap-of-what-happened-with-yvette-nicole
appears also that the fan, had already problems in Vancouver with the cast, according to meresger:
[warning, has language] http://meresger.tumblr.com/post/122468838148
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