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October 5, 2015 at 8:29 pm #309294
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ParticipantThere is a dark satisfaction I am taking in their failure. I wont even hide that. I know I’m not the only one.
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICOctober 5, 2015 at 8:40 pm #309295RumplesGirl
KeymasterThere is a dark satisfaction I am taking in their failure. I wont even hide that. I know I’m not the only one.
Oh I cheered and tweeted a lot of “hhahahahahahaha” last night. It was highly satisfactory for me. The problem is that I also don’t think it will stick. I think the writers will wave this failure away somehow and bring it back.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 5, 2015 at 9:11 pm #309296RumplesGirl
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 5, 2015 at 10:11 pm #309304Ranisha Pitts
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@RumplesGirl The Deepest Sigh in fact full blown melancholy
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October 5, 2015 at 10:31 pm #309306Slurpeez
ParticipantLily Sparks’ review!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 5, 2015 at 10:39 pm #309311RumplesGirl
KeymasterOctober 5, 2015 at 11:21 pm #309313nevermore
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Oh my goodness, brilliant.
Then, having risked her soul to make Regina happy she was contractually obligated to attack Hook with her lips. Obviously he was repulsed.
That, right there, was a totally bizarre moment. Why precisely did Emma feel the need to suddenly make out with Hook? Also, unsolicited advances are only Ok when perpetrated by the wish fulfillment character, but not OK when it’s the now “tainted” heroine. Because, Dark One cooties, and all that.
The show continues to get more and more misogynistic
This. Although, now that I think about it, it isn’t straight forwardly misogynist, which makes its gender politics particularly… what’s the word I’m looking for? Perfidious? Some popular shows (Walking Dead or Breaking Bad, I’m looking at you) are just straightforwardly misogynist, no bones about it. Something like Game of Thrones is too, but for a slightly different reasons, since it’s supposed to portray a patriarchal, brutally misogynist world. But OUAT claims to be all about strong female characters, but it just seems that the writers feel deeply ambivalent about what that might look like.
(Then again, are there any US-made shows that have an uncomplicatedly positive, nonjudgmental, or at least non-handwringy attitude about female sexuality more generally? I think it’s our culture, y’all)
October 5, 2015 at 11:51 pm #309318Slurpeez
ParticipantAlso, unsolicited advances are only Ok when perpetrated by the wish fulfillment character, but not OK when it’s the now “tainted” heroine. Because, Dark One cooties, and all that.
Yeah…pretty sure Belle never had the reaction towards Rumple. Then again Rumple was shy and dare I say almost modest and “feminine” around Belle in Skin Deep? S1-S3 Emma was traditionally more “masculine” in her persona. It wasn’t until Emma’s first date with Hook that she goes all Sandra Dee. Now she’s embraced the dark leather to get the guy and he doesn’t want her.
On the one hand, Hook actually surprised me in his ability to turn her down. Maybe he has come a long way. However, his total rejection of Emma sorta contrasts with Belle’s acceptance and unconditional love of dark one Rumple S1-S3a. As Belle warned Hook “it’s a lot easier to hate a dark one than it is to love one.” I get why he’s taken aback, why he doesn’t want her that way. But it does make it seem like Emma with sexual appetite = fallen woman.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
October 6, 2015 at 12:06 am #309320WickedRegal
Participant*sigh*
My oh my, how history repeats itself.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
October 6, 2015 at 12:32 am #309324nevermore
ParticipantOn the one hand, Hook actually surprised me in his ability to turn her down. Maybe he has come a long way. However, his total rejection of Emma sorta contrasts with Belle’s acceptance and unconditional love of dark one Rumple S1-S3a. As Belle warned Hook “it’s a lot easier to hate a dark one than it is to love one.” I get why he’s taken aback, why he doesn’t want her that way. But it does make it seem like Emma with sexual appetite = fallen woman.
Exactly. Hey, the gender asymmetries are always going to be there. My quibble with the writers is that they aren’t actually thinking things through (surprise!). I can appreciate a reformed Hook fighting to try to get the “authentic” Emma back. But in the context of Emma coming on to him, and Hook saying “this isn’t you,” reads to me like Hook saying “Hold your horses, sweetheart. *I’m* the one doing the chasing.”
There is any number of ways to have written that scene. They could have made it into a dialogue about the happenings in the town. Or about their relationship. An atypically cynical attitude that would have made Emma’s Dark One persona come through. But all we’re left with is an equation of DO Emma = weird platinum blond dye job = skin tight dress = sexually aggressive=potentially evil psychopath. I get it that A&E’s formative years coincided with the Basic Instinct era, but this is just tiresome.
I agree about Rumple — his awkwardness was precisely what made him so sympathetic in Skin Deep (I still think that episode was pure genius). On the other hand, there was something mildly uncomfortable about his relationship with Cora, but then again, unlike Emma with Hook, Cora was game for most of it. Point is, with Rumple there has never been a dynamic of sexual aggressiveness in the way that Dark!Swan is being portrayed. We don’t know about any other DOs (I don’t want to think too hard about Zoso on that front), but my point is, it somehow was never part of package, until Emma. Come to think of it, there is an interesting parallel with Belle. “Evil” Belle/Lacy is, of course, explicitly sexual. Ugh, OUAT! Why do I keep watching you?
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