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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • October 13, 2015 at 1:50 pm #309832
    Slurpeez
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    Now that I think about it, one really bizarre bit of dialogue was Head!Rumple’s reaction to Emma and Hook’s conversation, where he says something about Emma crushing Hook’s heart. Head!Rumple’s interpretation of how that encounter went seems totally off to me — if anything, Hook was the one doing the crushing (whether Dark Emma cares is another question). So either the writers have just lost all grip on reality — which I wouldn’t be too surprised about, considering how many people are cheering Hook’s “resistance” to Emma’s “advances” (cue eye roll) — or they are applying a mass production approach to episode writing, where different people are ghostwriting different parts of the episode. Either way, it’s weird.

    I don’t think that’s the only option. Head!Rumple is supposed to represent the dark one (as opposed to Emma herself). I think he’s just twisting things, as usual. He represents darkness incarnate; so of course, he’s going to intrepret Emma playing Hook for the cutlass as cut-throat, underhanded and manipulative. But what Head!Rumple may not realize is that he’s the one being played.

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    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    October 13, 2015 at 1:58 pm #309833
    Rainbow
    Participant

    Now that I think about it, one really bizarre bit of dialogue was Head!Rumple’s reaction to Emma and Hook’s conversation, where he says something about Emma crushing Hook’s heart. Head!Rumple’s interpretation of how that encounter went seems totally off to me — if anything, Hook was the one doing the crushing (whether Dark Emma cares is another question). So either the writers have just lost all grip on reality — which I wouldn’t be too surprised about, considering how many people are cheering Hook’s “resistance” to Emma’s “advances” (cue eye roll) — or they are applying a mass production approach to episode writing, where different people are ghostwriting different parts of the episode. Either way, it’s weird.

    Have to say that the quote from Rumple is already part of some theory from Cs fans where they say that means emma crushed hook heart to cast the curse to take them to SB and he is sharing her heart bc they are TL. Even tho makes no sense, bc in that case TLK would have worked, but hey is OUAT, doesnt have to make sense.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    October 13, 2015 at 2:02 pm #309834
    Slurpeez
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    @Rainbow – That just sounds like another CS attempt to explain away the obvious: CS =/= true love.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    October 13, 2015 at 2:58 pm #309837
    Rainbow
    Participant

    @Rainbow – That just sounds like another CS attempt to explain away the obvious: CS =/= true love.

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    Truth, but even if all clues point to something, again we are talking about OUAT, and like @RG said before, they came a long way on CS, to not make them TL now, they will make some explanation about how TLK didnt worked before and works now, bc they wont ent with Emma single, they wont do SQ, they wont make SF or bring back Neal, MRJ moved on, they wont bring another love interest and they wont kill Emma for good, so Cs is the only option left. They dont even have to explain things, bc media and fans love CS, so as long they end together fans and media will make their own headcanon that the writers will go along.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    October 13, 2015 at 3:35 pm #309838
    WickedRegal
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    I think the reason Adam and Eddy won’t give OutlawQueen or even CaptainSwan a real true love kiss is because they don’t wanna step on any SwanQueen Toes….

    Slurpeez wrote:

    I may be giving them more credit than is due, but how could the writers not be aware? Take a look at the following example.

    Gosh that’s…..yeah. The inconsistencies in writing really make me think that the writers don’t talk to one another and just write what they feel like. And the fact that Jane wrote this past week’s episode makes me look at her work on Buffy and go “what the…”

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    This…Sweet Oz…This!! The writing is inconsistent as hell so far! Remember during the summer when they were hyping up Snow White to take front and center in saving Emma with all that “I will not lose my daughter to darkness”, three episodes in and haven’t seen her really do anything besides rock Baby Snowflake and wear “semi pretty” dresses in Camelot.

    My faith in all of the OUAT Writers is dead….it’s just no hope anymore….it’s almost like we’re all riding a boring ride at an amusement, and just can’t wait for it to end because you know chances of it improving are slim to none.

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    The most we can do now is just grin and bare it.

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    October 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm #309839
    nevermore
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    Have to say that the quote from Rumple is already part of some theory from Cs fans where they say that means emma crushed hook heart to cast the curse to take them to SB and he is sharing her heart bc they are TL. .

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    Seriously? Oy, that is some impressive crazy right there. Although you never know with OUAT — it’s not like they would ever recycle old plot lines while entirely changing their own stated rules in the process.

    My guess is that the writers liked that particular bit of dialogue (it is kinda witty and very Head!Rumple) and inserted it without worrying too much about whether or not it makes sense. It also allows them to establish Emma as the villain in that encounter, while signaling to the audience that she’s perhaps fooling Head!Rumple into thinking that she’s darker than she is.

    Head!Rumple is supposed to represent the dark one (as opposed to Emma herself). I think he’s just twisting things, as usual. He represents darkness incarnate; so of course, he’s going to intrepret Emma playing Hook for the cutlass as cut-throat, underhanded and manipulative.

    lol I think you’re saying that Head!Rumple isn’t the brightest bulb in the box. Or at least, not the most objective. :)))

    I have no doubt CS is endgame (because a happily single Emma is clearly unthinkable, and OUAT won’t float any other ships) I just fail to find it convincing the way it’s written. On the other hand, it seems like a good chunk of the audience is doggedly seeing everything Hook does as another confirmation for the legitimacy of the TL claim. It’s kind of intriguing from a media studies perspective — how is this rift happening? Is it ideological?

     

    October 13, 2015 at 5:28 pm #309845
    PriceofMagic
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    I think the reason Adam and Eddy won’t give OutlawQueen or even CaptainSwan a real true love kiss is because they don’t wanna step on any SwanQueen Toes….

    I would actually support SwanQueen atthis point. We have seen, over the course of 4 seasons, Emma and Regina’s relationship transition from enemies to allies to friends. It wouldn’t be unthinkable that it could then progress to romance.

    I know there is things working against SQ, the Snow connection, the statutory love interests, etc but if the choice was between having to watch CS and OQ or SQ, I’d choose SQ because at least there is a solid foundation there unlike the other two.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    October 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm #309846
    Rainbow
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    Carter and June bts pic

    https://instagram.com/p/8yr-92GZTA/

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    October 13, 2015 at 6:53 pm #309856
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    But it is. Why didn’t the TLK ever work before? Why did Hook’s cursed lips rob Emma of her true love magic? Because Hook’s love is selfish…the anti-TL kiss. That is a deliberate thing the writers set up.

    Because PLOT. Always always always plot.

    but I happen think Hook is still being written as self-deluded and hypocritical

    Of course he is.  The question isn’t whether he is being written that way, it’s whether or not it’s deliberate for the sake of character and not for plot so that they can play with Dark Swan longer.

     

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 13, 2015 at 6:57 pm #309858
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Just read the 504 press release

    basically everything I’ve been saying…the way Hook is being written is more about being deliberate for shiny plot than it is for any sort of truth for CS

    also…

    unwavering my behind…..*grumble* nope

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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