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"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
So…how much more crap do you think OUAT can spew out?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
On the other hand, are the writers really not aware of what they’re doing?
I *really* don’t think they know what they are doing or how it’s coming across. And, why should they? The CS shippers are still singing the praises of the ship and the pirate in spite of lines like this one!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"On the other hand, are the writers really not aware of what they’re doing? Surely, this is their way to show some ambivalence towards Hook’s feelings for Emma (and rock the CS boat so that it’s not all smooth sailing for that particular ship). This episode is written by Jane Espensen, and while I’m not super impressed with her latest writing choices, I think she actually knows what she’s doing in terms of writing this sort of underlying patriarchy.
I may be giving them more credit than is due, but how could the writers not be aware? Take a look at the following example.
All I’m saying is that the writers know what they’re doing. There is an obvious contrast between the way Regina addressed Emma in 5×2 and the way Hook addressed Emma as “dark one” in 5×3. It’s obvious SQ baiting, and yet they’re also showing just why TLK didn’t work for CS three times. As the former Evil Queen, Regina certainly understands more of what Emma is going through having to grapple with darkness more than anyone else (with the exception of Rumple). Hook should’ve known better what that’s like but he’s too consumed with hatred for the dark one to see the real Emma on the inside.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
All I’m saying is that the writers know what they’re doing. There is an obvious contrast between the way Regina addressed Emma in 5×2 and the way Hook addressed Emma as “dark one” in 5×3. It’s obvious SQ baiting, and yet they’re also showing just why TLK didn’t work for CS three times.
I definitely think you might be onto something. Especially if we factor in Belle’s repeated comments about what it means to love the DO (the thing about how she loves all of Rumple, even the parts that belong to the darkness, and the bit about it being harder to love the DO than to hate them). There is obviously several contrasts being set up — between Hook and Belle, between Hook and Regina, but also, weirdly enough, between Hook and Robin. I thought it was interesting that in 5×3 there was a line where Robin says he’s not a thief anymore, while Hook says something to the effect of “being a former pirate, I can tell you for a fact that part never goes away” (I forget the exact words). In context, Hook is coming off as particularly hypocritical: darkness never goes away, but Emma’s original “lightness” or “goodness” is forever compromised such that he doesn’t want to have anything to do with her anymore because she’s “tainted.” Essentially, Hook has just flunked the whole “in sickness and in health” part of the committed relationship.
I think if the writers are doing this consciously, we will see this play out further down the line — especially if Emma’s is “playing both sides”, trying to fool the part of her consciousness that’s been highjacked by the DO into thinking that she’s going along with the plan. Essentially, I think she’s being earnest when she asks Hook to trust her. At which point Hook fails epically.
The problem is, the way CS has been written so far, even if we do come to that moment of confrontation where Hook says “I should have trusted you all along”, they’ll probably kiss and make-up, to the cheers of a good chunk of the audience. #headdesk
The problem is, the way CS has been written so far, even if we do come to that moment of confrontation where Hook says “I should have trusted you all along”, they’ll probably kiss and make-up, to the cheers of a good chunk of the audience. #headdesk
Yeah…that.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I may be giving them more credit than is due, but how could the writers not be aware? Take a look at the following example.
Gosh that’s…..yeah.
The inconsistencies in writing really make me think that the writers don’t talk to one another and just write what they feel like. And the fact that Jane wrote this past week’s episode makes me look at her work on Buffy and go “what the…”
If the writers are doing something consciously, it’s not with the intent to show why CS isn’t TL or why it can’t work. Remember, this is a plot thing. They can’t have a TLK break Emma’s dark one curse right off the bat. So they hem and haw and delay by having CS look even more terrible than it already does, but likely–come the 100th episode—they’ll have Hook somehow accept Emma as both light and dark, accept the Dark One inside and declare that he’ll love her forever no matter what (all evidence of the past episodes be DARNED!) and the you’ll get the kiss and BOOM. Curse over. It’s a delay tactic for the purpose of their narrative but only serves to ruin all of their story. I don’t trust the writers. Deliberate or not, they aren’t going to suddenly do an about face and have Emma wind up with Regina, have her wind up alone and happy as a single mother, or bring back Neal and go “yup. it was SF all along.” So, yes, the writers might know what they are doing, but it’s not actually a good thing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I definitely think you might be onto something. Especially if we factor in Belle’s repeated comments about what it means to love the DO (the thing about how she loves all of Rumple, even the parts that belong to the darkness, and the bit about it being harder to love the DO than to hate them).
Yes, that.
There is obviously several contrasts being set up — between Hook and Belle, between Hook and Regina, but also, weirdly enough, between Hook and Robin. I thought it was interesting that in 5×3 there was a line where Robin says he’s not a thief anymore, while Hook says something to the effect of “being a former pirate, I can tell you for a fact that part never goes away” (I forget the exact words). In context, Hook is coming off as particularly hypocritical: darkness never goes away, but Emma’s original “lightness” or “goodness” is forever compromised such that he doesn’t want to have anything to do with her anymore because she’s “tainted.” Essentially, Hook has just flunked the whole “in sickness and in health” part of the committed relationship.
It is odd how Hood is the one who has come out of this smelling like a rose compared to Hook who smells like a codfish. Hook certainly bombed that test.
If the writers are doing something consciously, it’s not with the intent to show why CS isn’t TL or why it can’t work.
But it is. Why didn’t the TLK ever work before? Why did Hook’s cursed lips rob Emma of her true love magic? Because Hook’s love is selfish…the anti-TL kiss. That is a deliberate thing the writers set up.
I don’t trust the writers. Deliberate or not, they aren’t going to suddenly do an about face and have Emma wind up with Regina, have her wind up alone and happy as a single mother, or bring back Neal and go “yup. it was SF all along.” So, yes, the writers might know what they are doing, but it’s not actually a good thing.
I don’t trust them either, but I happen think Hook is still being written as self-deluded and hypocritical. Whether the writers set up failed TLK with intent of then setting up an actual redemption arc for Hook is the next question.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Because Hook’s love is selfish…the anti-TL kiss. That is a deliberate thing the writers set up.
The inconsistencies in writing really make me think that the writers don’t talk to one another and just write what they feel like
Now that I think about it, one really bizarre bit of dialogue was Head!Rumple’s reaction to Emma and Hook’s conversation, where he says something about Emma crushing Hook’s heart. Head!Rumple’s interpretation of how that encounter went seems totally off to me — if anything, Hook was the one doing the crushing (whether Dark Emma cares is another question). So either the writers have just lost all grip on reality — which I wouldn’t be too surprised about, considering how many people are cheering Hook’s “resistance” to Emma’s “advances” (cue eye roll) — or they are applying a mass production approach to episode writing, where different people are ghostwriting different parts of the episode. Either way, it’s weird.
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