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A and E call killing Neal bold storytelling
Actually those were MRJ’s words that he gave in the exit interview via Twitter. I think he meant “bold” in an ironic sort of way.
https://twitter.com/mraymondjames/status/450718900821303296
https://twitter.com/MRaymondJames/status/450719007759278080
Would MRJ and Bobby Carlyle have liked it to have been otherwise? Of course. Killing off Neal in favor of Hook was only “bold” in the sense that it was an audacious decision to kill off the very reason for the entire narrative. Rumple losing and finding Bae again was at the very heart of the show; killing off the heart of the narrative shows an impudent lack of respect for the writers’ own original narrative. It’s comparable to Zelena’s decision to cut off her own hand; only the writers don’t have the magical talent to simply put the story back together.
It’s especially painful this season because you tell that it was supposed to be Neal doing a lot of what Hook is doing (though with more grace and love). It would have made for really beautiful, logical, and circular storytelling.
I don’t think Neal fans are only grousing over the fact that A&E killed off the character at the heart of OUAT. It’s that what came to replace it makes Baywatch look like Tolstoy.
LOL! It’s really not even about shipping; it’s about the loss of a core character for gratuitous reasons. Just look at last week’s choice to wake up Hero!Rumple with Hook’s cutlass (which wasn’t even the same sword he used in 2×4) versus how poetic it could’ve been to have used Bae’s shawl. The choice of using Bae’s baby blanket to usher forward his father’s lost humanity would have been deeply symbolic since Bae was that little light that kept his father human.
and i praise this fans, that are doing this, i mean they dont gain anything with this, they in fact lose free time, yet they still do it, and better than professional writers that win millions per year to write a show that can be compared to the worst type of fan fiction.
Yes! Kudos to this amazing writer for writing the AU.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
he end of this show, i dont see many of the cast menbers, besides bobby to get great jobs
From what I hear from friends who are actors, this career does not come with any sense of job security at all unless you’re really at the top of the food chain, and even then there’s this boom and bust pattern when you can never be sure when (and if) the next project will come along. So I wish every single one of the OUAT actor crew a wonderful and steady career. They got bills to pay, and some of them, kiddos to feed.
Honestly, I think in this case, blaming the middle man (A&E) for what OUAT has become makes most sense to me. They aren’t new kids on the block trying to break into the biz. They ARE the biz. Sure, they have to pitch their projects and hope they get picked up — I get it. But they have a reputation, and hence a certain degree of power. If a lot of the changes in OUAT are happening because of pressure from “above” — or as a result of the audience clamoring for this or that — A&E are, I think, in a position where they could have pushed back. If Bobby is saying that he doesn’t give a hoot about his character, and is in it for the money, then I think OUAT is really and truly done — sure, we might even get a 6th season shambling on, but if you have actors of Bobby’s caliber and commitment, clearly very good at playing complicated, shady characters saying, essentially “whatever,” then you’ve done something really really wrong.
As to the Evil Mouse/ABC execs, they all can get stuffed. Ultimately RG is right, the only thing that matters to that crowd is the bottom line. They sure as heck aren’t in it for the art — or even for the “great entertainment.”
But at least there is fan fiction, S5 re write with Neal and no Hook
Wow, this person is quite talented. Certainly doing a better job than whatever’s coming out of OUAT’s official crackfick central.
I actually hope all the actors go on to better things. As much as I dislike Hook or Zelena or someone else, I don’t hate the actors or wish them ill. I’m also not going to judge them based on actions on Twitter and not responding to so-and-so’s tweet. How many times have we all answered questions or talked by DM on Twitter? If I were a celeb I’d really think twice (or thrice) about my interaction with friends publicly on social media. So while overall I think it’s a bit odd and suspect that the cast doesn’t interact like they did in season one or even two, I’m not going to get angry over it.
I actually think most of them might do rather well. So far Rose McIver and David Anders have iZombie, Jamie Dornan got 50s Shades, Raphael Sbarge is on Murder in the First, Joanna Garcia was on a summer show on ABC. And those are just off the top of my head. Bobby is already largely establish in theater and film and Ginny has the movie and tv credits to her background (and was the first one signed to the show and top billed). I think most of them will do just fine and may go on to bigger, and hopefully better, roles. (Or they may fall into obscurity. 😉 )
Ultimately, the outcome for me after the series is done in regards the industry is that I will no longer watch any Adam/Eddy projects. No matter how interesting it seems I can’t be jerked around like that anymore. And I bet I’m not the only one. Most of you know of my embargo on Ryan Murphy productions. He has a history of having brilliant beginnings and fizzling. We were burnt on Popular in the 90s and then Glee. I didn’t watch Nip/Tuck but I’ve read it devolved in the end, too. As much as Scream Queens sounds intriguing, his past history colors my opinion so I refuse to watch it. Yes, AHS seems to be different but it’s also a different animal–changing stories yearly but keeping the same acting company. And while I do not have a Nielsen box and my viewing habits have no impact, I can’t be the only person who feels this way.
As for Dark Swan, I can imagine it is one of the few things that they’ve always had planned. RG is correct in the monomyth. It makes sense to the story that Emma, the savior, would take on darkness and “die” during her journey. I also think Rumple will bite the dust for real. Maybe it’s reading HP and watching Harry and Dumbledore all day on the ABC Family marathon (I can’t resist) but Rumple is acting as Emma’s mentor. He always did have this weird role for Emma but now even in her Dark Swan mode, he’s literally the devil on her shoulder. At some point the savior/hero has to go forward without her mentor, aka so long Rumple.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Actually those were MRJ’s words that he gave in the exit interview via Twitter. I think he meant “bold” in an ironic sort of way.
You’re right. My bad. However, A and E’s language does reflect a lot of those same feelings.
ltimately RG is right, the only thing that matters to that crowd is the bottom line. They sure as heck aren’t in it for the art — or even for the “great entertainment.
Imma quote myself from my review and final thought on S4A (Frozen) which basically sums up how I felt then, feel now,and goes with what you’re saying
I do want to talk about one thing and that is: why we don’t let mega corporations run art. They have different agendas. No one will deny (and certainly not me) that TV is also a business that requires cold hard cash. But mega coprs, a la the Great Mouse, don’t care about art for the sake of art. They care about their bottom line. If anyone really thinks Disney isn’t calling the shots now on ONCE, let me tell you this: guess what comes out of the Disney vault in February, a month before ONCE returns for 4B? Yes, 101 Dalmatians. Is it any wonder why Cruella is showing up now? It’s marketing. It’s all clever marketing where the two–ONCE and Disney–play off each other. It’s very “you scratch our back, and we’ll scratch yours.” There is no heart to this show anymore; well not substantial heart anyway. It’s all about the big shiny object to play with until the writers get bored and move on. While I like the 11 episode arc structure because it does give me a long break, it’s killing the emotional center of this show. Why bother getting invested? Why bother theorizing when the writers use not-so-clever magical handwaving to wrap up the story in ways that the audience never saw coming? What’s the point of getting involved in Anna and Elsa when a magical wishing star reunites them and a magical door takes them home (where apparently they defeat the invaders of Hans and his brothers in like a day…?) Adam and Eddy don’t care about storytelling anymore; they care about product. They aren’t mutually exclusive, but once upon a time (more word puns!) they cared about one more than the other.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I didnt said i wish the cast dont get other jobs, i said that i think many of them wont find anything else that gives them name, bc they are to focus on OUAT, they dont look for other jobs outside that, they end filming ouat and go to cons talking about it, they dont try to make name outside of ouat when they are not filming, only recent Jmo, ginny and bobby started doing other things and i think colin did some movie. They are all to focus on OUAT and by cast i mean recurring and regular, really they all seem to stay at home expecting Adam and eddie to phone them asking if they are back, they sort of live for ouat, example, Josh before ouat he was in Thor and theatre, after he started ouat, is like like he didnt search for anything else when ouat is on break, the same with Lana( she was great in miami medical), is like they just think that this characters will open doors to them, bc it wont, OUAT is not a lets say, a serious show for the critics and by critics i mean the real ones, not the media that gives news about the show, so i state once more what i meant was that the fact that most of the ouat cast lives of the show fame, if they only live for the show and dont try to show the fans that they are capable of other types of roles, they may not get anything serious. Like i said in anterior post, the actors that played Leia, Luke and Anakin, just to name a few, even tho they did other jobs, they never were taken serious, bc to everyone else they were always Luke, Anakin and Leia, bc they lived for those characters so many times, without doing other roles in bwt, that they werent taken serious by casing teams to give them more memorable projects with characters that were diferent from the previous ones they played.
So again i dont wish the cast bad, i was just saying they are to attach to ouat and that MRJ, Rose Jamie dornan, Amy( i think she was grumpy love), Sonequa, was the best thing that happended to them, bc after they played several diferent characters from the ones they did before and that is always a plus and like @nevermore said, in this area you need to show work, you need to show that you are able to play several diferent roles, bc if you are linked always to a type of role, you will never get anything memorable, but when you have an actor that plays drama, comedy, action, scifi, fantasy, thriller, bad guy, good guy, that resumé will show that this actor/actress can offer other type of experience than some other person that always played the roles in the same area in tv or movies, like example, in hollywood area is all a jungle, if you have a actress/actor that always played comedy, for very good that she/he is on that, wont be offered to have a drama role, bc people dont they he/she can do it, is sad , but is true.
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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Well, they can always become Hallmark Actors and Actresses if all else fails.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
*waves*
it’s 4am. I’m gonna need a nap before show tonight.
*waves as she departs*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"ok, so I havent watched anything since season 3 and was wondering if does it look like hook will be the ultimate villain? idk why i got back into thinking about ouat. the curse almost left me for a while, and then…. suddenly i remembered how much i loved ruthless Cora, crazy jealous zelena, spiteful, irrisponsible Pan, womanizing, bully-pirate hook, vengeful, yet loving Regina, and all those fun characters…
I still remember how much I loved this show up untill season 3 episode 11.
so what I want to ask you (if any of you are still following this boring show-about-a-boring-pirate-who-does-nothing-all-day) did hook end up a villain?
just wondering
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