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My question, Slurpeez, is really this : what are you hoping for? What do you expect? Just that CS is never declared TL?
It all comes down to the following: there are some people who’re right for you (aka Neal), some people who’re wrong for you (aka Hook) and some people you just choose (aka Henry). In the end, I predict a choice will have to be made between Hook and Henry, and Henry will win hands down. I may be wrong (wouldn’t be the first time). But until I see the very last episode ever, I’m not ready to declare Hook the last person standing.
Fair enough. You *know* I would love for you to be right. I mean, come on. We’ve been fighting the good SF fight for (pretty much) four years together. We’re two of the last standing veterans of the great/terrible/ulcer inducing CSF thread. You know I want more than anything for Hook to not be the endgame. (or for Hook to just be eaten by a literal crocodile. God I’ll take either, seriously).
I just…I just don’t think you will be. I can’t just can’t do the hope thing ever again.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I can’t just can’t do the hope thing ever again.
Disclaimer: For the record, I’m not trying to give anyone a reason to hope for anything. I’m just calling it like I see things on a week to week basis.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I just…I just don’t think you will be. I can’t just can’t do the hope thing ever again.“Better to know the quick pain of truth than the ongoing pain of a long-held false hope.” – Trudi C.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Consider this: while Emma was making dreamcatcher, the thing that stopped the terrible Rumple voice for awhile, was Hook and a field of flowers. A flower that Emma kept in present day and was cradling, much like cradling the dreamcatcher in the promo for next week
The same flowers, by the way, that Arthur used to woo Guinevere (and later gave her after he threw the sand on her).
The same flowers, by the way, that Arthur used to woo Guinevere (and later gave her after he threw the sand on her).
Yes, this! If anything, the flowers were meant to highlight a similarity between Hook and Arthur (more on that below).
First, a breakdown of Hook and Emma’s scene in 5×4 as compared to last week’s. In Camelot during the previous 6 weeks, Hook asks Emma to trust him. From 5×4:
Hook: This is about you putting your faith in me, in our future.
Emma: You think we can still get back there, to Storybrooke and some white-picket-fence life?
Hook: Yes, I’ll never stop fighting for us. All you have to do is trust me.Yet, as we saw in 5×3 …
Emma: I used to be scarred and judgmental and closed off. Took me forever to see the magic in this place. And now I… I see things clearly. I’m not scared anymore. Honestly, I’m an open book, if you’re willing to take that trust step.
Hook: Are you really suggesting that we move forward in a real relationship?
Emma: Gold and Belle loved each other.
Hook: I don’t think you should use the Crocodile as your example…
Emma: All I need is your trust, I promise.
Hook: I liked you the way you were. I liked your walls. I like being the man to break them down.
Emma: The person you found inside is still me. I have a question for you for once. Do you love me? If you tell me you don’t love me I will let you go.
Hook: I loved you.Emma makes the same proposition to Hook as he made to her in Camelot, only he refuses. He no longer sees that future as he did in Camelot now that he sees her as just the dark one. He said those sweet things when he still couldn’t see Emma as the dark one, unlike the horse, who could sense the darkness in Emma. (Cue Not!Rumple: “So the pony’s smarter than the pirate! She knows what you are, dearie”). The implication is that Hook in Camelot still didn’t see that the darkness had taken root in Emma.
It’s almost as if Emma in the present day were putting Hook to the test by taking away his memory of Camelot to see if Hook would give up on them. So far, he has not kept that vow. (He may try to rid her of darkness in an unadvised way later on…more on that later). Right now he can’t even see the woman he said he used to love, (“that you isn’t here”). Hook only sees the Dark One and calls her by that title. (Contrast that with Belle, who never called Rumple “dark one” even when she banished him from SB, and Regina,who still sees goodness in Emma).
Now for the comparison between Arthur and Hook. The main thing we know about Arthur is he’s obsessed with making Excalibur whole. Arthur would do anything to reunite his sword hilt with the dark one dagger, even if it meant bewitching his wife into the compliant, supportive queen he wants her to be. Sound like anyone else with an obsessive nature? Next, there is the fact that Merlin told Kid!Emma bad things would happen if she tried to take the sword out of the stone. And as we saw in 3×4, Emma’s family tried to protect Emma by keeping the dagger hidden from Arthur and thwarting his plans to reforge the sword. Yet, spoiler pictures reveal Hook has Excalibur in tact with his name written on it. It seems to me like Arthur and Hook both have a common vice: obsession. Arthur is obsessed with making Excalibur whole, and Hook may grow equally obsessed if he thinks he can use it to rid Emma of the darkness if TLK continues to fail. Also, both Hook and Arthur seem to want their respective lady loves to match some ideal standard. Arthur desires Gwen to be his perfect queen as Hook desires Emma to be the perfect savior princess.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Consider this: while Emma was making dreamcatcher, the thing that stopped the terrible Rumple voice for awhile, was Hook and a field of flowers. A flower that Emma kept in present day and was cradling, much like cradling the dreamcatcher in the promo for next week
The same flowers, by the way, that Arthur used to woo Guinevere (and later gave her after he threw the sand on her).
Really? I missed that. Probably because I was getting rather *eye twitchty* at the entire episode.
Like I said to Slurpeez, I’m not holding out any hope for anything in which CS bites the dust. I just can’t do that anymore with this show. But I mean…if it turns out she’s right, then you guys know I’ll be at the party.
ETA: I don’t deny all the parallels between Hook and Arthur. I caught most of them last night (hello getting women drunk and rape sand!) but I think, if anything, the show will turn it around so that Hook is actually the “more upstanding” version of Arthur who is the true hero of Camelot of something equally silly and gag worthy. The show doesn’t like to focus on Hook’s villainy, only his supposed heroism and “love” for Emma.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Slurp you make wonderful strong points and notions. However at the end of the day, they are simply selling a product and that product is CS. So even if they purposely are slipping in some secretive underscoring narrative that bolsters why either Neal or Regina shows what love is and are the better option’ the very apparent blatant narrative is CS = true Love. They are just having a hiccup right now in the guise of emotional angst and conflict. So it doesn’t matter what the other person says, does, thinks, or feels in regards to the other person. That won’t stop it from being stamp with True Love.
Person A can literally try to Kill Person B and they will still get stamp with True Love.
Person A can KILL Person B and it will still get stamp with True Love.
There is nothing Person A or Person B can do to each other or any others that won’t stop them from being stamp with True Love in this show.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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