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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • November 24, 2015 at 2:22 pm #313031
    PriceofMagic
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    Hook is dragging Emma down big time due to the fact that she will be covering up a murder he committed. Season 1 Emma would never have done that.

    Also why does Hook murdering Merlin even work to cast the curse. “Heart of the thing you loved most” has always been a requirement to cast the dark curse……unless it isn’t the dark curse, in which case what the hell? The whole premise of the dark curse in the first place was that Rumple needed it to get to the Land without magic to find Baelfire because there was literally no other way to get there even though Rumple looked. Suddenly all these other methods are appearing that could’ve worked.

    We’ve seen 3 dark curses cast and all required “heart of the thing you love most”:

    Regina and Henry Sr- Familial love

    Pan and Felix- Platonic love

    Snowing- Romantic love

    There is no way Merlin’s heart should work for Hook because there is no love there AT ALL. They’re not romantic, family or friends. If the writers expect us to just believe that Hook and Merlin became bosom buddies in the two days they knew each other, and that Hook “loves” Merlin more than Emma despite Hook’s entire storyline being about his “love” for Emma, then the writers are showing a severe lack of respect to their audience and more importantly the fans who have stuck with the show since day 1. Not only that but it completely throws the validity of CS into question, not that it wasn’t in question anyway.

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    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    November 24, 2015 at 2:31 pm #313032
    PriceofMagic
    Participant

    You know what the irony of this Hook as the dark one situation is? If the Hookers try to absolve Hook of his actions as the dark one because “the darkness made him do it” then Rumple should be absolved of his deeds as the dark one too, including his actions against Hook in the past such as killing Milah and cutting off Hook’s hand. If Rumple is to be held accountable for his past dark one actions, then Hook has to be held accountable too!

    The Hookers can’t have it both ways, and either way Hook doesn’t come out of it smelling of roses.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    November 25, 2015 at 7:23 am #313056
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    *watches new Sneak Peek*

    guys, I’m so glad Emma’s entire hero journey as been reduced to be all about  her male love interest. I mean, it’s great. This season wasn’t really about Emma at all, not her her individual self as she stands on her own, but really it’s about her boyfriend’s man pain and how Emma’s has a magical *mumbles vulgar things* that will cure him of his darkness. It’s so great.

    (this message is brought to you by SARCASM)

    (keep telling yourself that you write Strong Woman, boys!)

    (Good morning)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    November 25, 2015 at 8:45 am #313058
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    There is no way Merlin’s heart should work for Hook because there is no love there AT ALL. They’re not romantic, family or friends. If the writers expect us to just believe that Hook and Merlin became bosom buddies in the two days they knew each other, and that Hook “loves” Merlin more than Emma despite Hook’s entire storyline being about his “love” for Emma, then the writers are showing a severe lack of respect to their audience and more importantly the fans who have stuck with the show since day 1. Not only that but it completely throws the validity of CS into question, not that it wasn’t in question anyway.

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    Which, again brings me back to my Nimue theory.

    November 25, 2015 at 1:41 pm #313066
    nevermore
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    [quote=313056]his season wasn’t really about Emma at all, not her her individual self as she stands on her own, but really it’s about her boyfriend’s man pain[/quote]

    That’s because, as you and others here have said before, Hook just might be a wish-fulfillment fantasy for at least the male writers of the show (I honestly can’t imagine what Jane Espenson thinks of this character, especially since Hook the Villain was originally her creation). What gets me is how blatantly misogynist that fantasy seems to be.  Emma’s story is being reconfigured into one about Hook’s salvation through, essentially, Emma’s psychological, emotional — and I think we’re going to see soon, physical if she ends up going to the Underworld to retrieve him  — dismantling. Sure, she’ll come out fine in the end, but it’s the principle of the thing, i.e. it’s not a story about Emma’s hero journey, but one about a man’s self-affirmation through the (symbolic or otherwise) destruction of his female partner. If it looks sadistic, that’s because it is.

    Hello, Dr. Freud.

    If the Hookers try to absolve Hook of his actions as the dark one because “the darkness made him do it” then Rumple should be absolved of his deeds as the dark one too, including his actions against Hook in the past such as killing Milah and cutting off Hook’s hand.

    I agree with you in principle. The problem, though, is that you’re assuming Hook fans are going to undertake a reasoned analysis of their champion character, and a clear-headed and objective comparison with Rumple — and therefore come to the conclusions you just drew. I’m not sure I have your faith 😉

    November 25, 2015 at 1:44 pm #313067
    thedarkonedearie
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    *watches new Sneak Peek* guys, I’m so glad Emma’s entire hero journey as been reduced to be all about her male love interest. I mean, it’s great. This season wasn’t really about Emma at all, not her her individual self as she stands on her own, but really it’s about her boyfriend’s man pain and how Emma’s has a magical *mumbles vulgar things* that will cure him of his darkness. It’s so great. (this message is brought to you by SARCASM) (keep telling yourself that you write Strong Woman, boys!) (Good morning)

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    You can be a strong woman and still care about whether or not you lose the man you love.  Putting his life first over yours doesn’t mean she’s weak.  I think it’s a little bit of an overreaction.  I mean sure, it is slightly annoying that the end of this arc is starting to become more about Hook than Emma, but I think her character is still as strongly written as ever.

    November 25, 2015 at 2:36 pm #313070
    WickedRegal
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    So what shall we have to drink this episode guys?

    Coffee, Tea, or Gin?

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    November 25, 2015 at 4:45 pm #313076
    Keb
    Participant

    Tea for me please. I have my chipped cup.

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

    November 25, 2015 at 7:05 pm #313080
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    In case I can’t say it tomorrow, I hope all you lovelies have a great Thanksgiving (or, y’know, Thursday, for our British folk).

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    November 26, 2015 at 12:13 pm #313096
    WickedRegal
    Participant

    Happy Thanksgiving!!!

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

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