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I meant they don’t have any plans for him now after they killed him off and replaced him with Hook.
Oh I gotcha. Sorry, my bad.
But I agree. There is no long con here. A and E stopped thinking long term right around 3×11. Since then it’s been thinking in terms of the arc alone with each new arc resetting the characters to some sort of zero (except, maybe, Regina). Emma, certainly.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The Swan Keychain is another thing they want us to forget – the last time it appeared was in 4×11 (Emma Ingrid flashback), now we have Hook’s ring, that’s just great.
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The Swan Keychain is another thing they want us to forget – the last time it appeared was in 4×11 (Emma Ingrid flashback), now we have Hook’s ring, that’s just great.
The last apperance was in 422, u can see that Emma has 2 necklaces when she takes the darkness, is after in S5 that both necklaces and graham shoelace disapeared.
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wasn’t in it then i wouldn’t even try it. I have a hard time imagining that staying on the air, but who knows maybe it will be better then it looks. The problem being that if it looks bad a lot of people won’t even give it a chance.
I wouldnt say is bad, especially bc you still didnt saw it, for me is good, but that is bc i saw Sleepers movie, i saw the Turkish version, so the story has everything to be a hit and they did some changes which is making me curious about it, buti would say is not the type of shows that fans that ONLY like the sci fi, supernatural and fantasy genre will like, unless they want to expande their tv show genres.
I would say Gos is like a mix of sleeps, Suskunlar, SVU, bloodlines, mystic river, Revenge and in a way Jessica jones, bc deals how kids that are sexual abused in childhood grow with that secret and how they are influenced by what happened in the past and how they interact with others and with their abusers when they meet them again 25 years later and their revenge against the bad ones and since i spoiled part of it, their revenge happens, bc one of the 4 boys is killed by one of the bad ones, when he tries to tell everyone what happened 25 years ago.Also the pilot, was one of the most wanted pilots by all networks and chanels and NBC ended paying lots of money to get the rights and today was released by one media, that GoS is one of the best NBC midseason shows, but they also said u belong to a certain type of person to see it:
Here is the article:
http://zap2it.com/2016/01/you-me-the-apocalypse-superstore-nbc-gems-to-watch/
But the end is, even if GoS doesnt get a S2, that doesnt mean Neal will be back on the show, the writers gone to far, no way will they bring Neal back, yeah we can all say, Neal is connected to Rumple and Henry, but now they only care about ships, to them Emma is the only connection to Neal, so no way they will not make CS, and in their minds, Neal means no CS, which wont happen.
And if no S2 GoS i hope MRJ stay far away from ouat, bc im mostly MRJ fan, so i want him to do good, nt being traped in a show where is evident most of tha cast is no longer happy, in fact i would say Sean and bex are the only ones that are happy, all the others probably praying for cancellation.I think it’s definitely a “niche” show — but then again, so is OUAT. But I bet it’ll bring in fans from different fandoms. It’s from the same execs as Saturday Night Lights, and that has a serious audience and was very very well received by critics, so I bet at least some of those fans will give GoS a whirl. Didn’t they also do CSI?
Suskunlar’s plot isn’t all that original, but every time it’s been done, it’s gotten critical acclaim: (similar plot lines were in The Sleepers, Mystic River… and maybe a stretch, but The Kite Runner has some of the same themes). I’m gonna guess they changed things up for the American version, but I’m betting that the network picked it up because that sort of story has done pretty darn well with both critics and audiences in the past. I know it’s based on a foreign show, but the formula is well-tested on a US audience.
Yes, the show runner was Exe-prod from Friday night lights, Parenthood and the others exe-producers are the team from CSI, there is one that is also director that directed House MD, Dominion, LOST, there is one that was Exe-prod from LOST, the creators of the Turkish show are also Exe producers and the rwiters are also amazing, all of these people, except for the turkish ones, all won several emmys, not to mention that are oscars and emmy winners in the crew and the directors all won emmys.
Fact: the composer also won emmys and oscars and has lots of soundtracks to do this year, being The Jungle Book of Disney one of them.Like i said before Bloodlines also fits this list, also with lots of success on netflix. Everyone says is a dark cable show, so i bet NBC is expecting those sort of ratings, and if there is place for GOS in cable audience that same audience may see the show on a network, in the end all will depends of how heavy will NBC promote it.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
But if it’s true that MRJ did not want to leave the show and he was not fired and it really WAS “bold storytelling”, than maybe. MRJ could make time for both shows.
After all, I heard A and E handpicked him and Belle. Maybe because they knew these two will have a very small but hugely significant part…?Maybe hook and pan would be the big bad and underworld is the new neverland?
Why would A and E hand-pick actors?
Pan: “you look so adorable, its hard to tell wich one to kill firt”
Pan: “no it is’t, you. You first.”So next Belle will die and Pan will win until Golden Hero fights back by sacrificing more than just his life, this time etc.
Well is not like MRJ can come and say yeah they written me off bc they are bad people that sold me a story and did other bc they went with someone hot than me.
Like @RG said, if Gos was in cable or netflix he could have chance of not being regular, but make recurring appearances, but is not, NBC and ABC wont share an actor, MRJ cant be promoting abc and nbc things at same time. The same way why we wont see ouat people mention GOS , bc they cant say go see this, bc means they are saying dont see ABC, go see NBC.
Abour Hook and Pan Pan is only for epi 512, like most of the characters, only Dorothy, hades and Cruella will appears in several epis, all the others are like 1 epi guest, probably to make them make peace with others and move on. Also Hook is the same hook that S4 and 5 have, according to spoilers, no vilain, in fact i bet even the villain ( haves) will have some lame story, that may end with him going to SB to join the idiot group.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Definetly agree that it was always supposed to have been SwanFire but the fanservice won out in the end….MRJ wasn’t handsome enough (The Lies!)….Neal left Emma in jail (It was to get her home so she can fulfill her destiny) …. Neal was the son of the Dark One (Well, Emma eventually became the dark one)….the fans used whatever excuse they could find, and twisted it to make Neal look like the bad guy, and although we see who Neal really was and the true love he had for Emma…unfortunately the antis won in the end.
Hook is just…he’s kinda out of place. After Neverland, he and Tinkerbelle could have just ended up together, and sailed around the New World, guest starring every now and then whenever Colin and Rose were available…..but now, Hook is just there to be Emma’s Love Interest…like a dangling piece of fat off of a Ham that was supposed to have been cut off but was ignored. And they tried to give him his own storyline….BY GIVING EMMA’S STORYLINE TO HIM! (Flips Table) This only proved that in order to give an out of place character some story is by stealing it away from the Main Cast.
Same situation so far with Robin Hood…I mean we know he’s Regina’s soul mate, but he just seems to be nothing but a love interest, there only for a ship. He has no story besides this horrid Baby Pistachio one. And quite frankly I’m getting frustrated with it…we’ve seen Robin do nothing but shoot a few arrows and that’s it. Sure he saved Regina’s life in Camelot, but he became a damsel….Geez Luis Adam and Eddy, this is freaking Robin Hood….DO HIM SOME JUSTICE!!!!
Snowing…dear God the Snowing! I really have nothing else to say about them! And Rumple, we’ll deal with you later. Sweet Belle….Emilie De Ravin is seriously underused and they treat Belle like she’s the walking encyclopedia babysitter! Even Velma from Scooby Doo got in on the action every once and a while! Poor Henry has just been shoved to the side…..and I don’t care what they say, Season 1 Regina and Emma WOULD NOT let their thirteen year old son go to Hell with them!
Sorry for the little rant…just had to get that off my chest!
I meant they don’t have any plans for him now after they killed him off and replaced him with Hook.
A and E stopped thinking long term right around 3×11. Since then it’s been thinking in terms of the arc alone with each new arc resetting the characters to some sort of zero (except, maybe, Regina). Emma, certainly.
I truly have no idea whose the biggest victim on this show?
Ginny and Josh who have been dumbed down and character assassinated to the point of no return.
JMo and Lana who are constantly attacked by fans from all sorts of ships whenever they don’t pay them any attention, and whose characters have been drastically twisted to fit their ships, and are being dealt the worst storylines. (Having your storyline stolen to give to your on screen boyfriend, and your sister getting pregnant by your soul mate.)
Bobby whose character is borderline unforgivable because he has backslid more times than Michael Jackson moonwalked, and will so far never find a true redemption storyline.
Emilie & Jared who have been constantly shoved to the side, only called forward for one scene out of the entire episode, that’s if they get one at all.
Colin and Sean who are there simply to appease fans and be love interests with no true stories of their own to tell.
Bex is really the only one whose so far fair in this. She’s having a blast no matter what Zelena’s doing!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
There was a lot I wanted to say but my head hurts to much. I am nursing a major migraine and it simply hurts.
However here are some bullet points.
I think GOS looks really good and I look forward to seeing it. Actually that is understand I am completely excited and eager to see this series. Its the most anticipated show for me in 2016. They have a very talented, experience and professional team working with this production. GOS is not for the faint of heart, its more character and story driven so if you are into magic and superpowers and fantasy elements this is not the show for you. However I am realizing my tv taste is slightly changing, I’m become more fascinated with complex, deep, dark, and edgy story lines and themes.
I have no strong nor deep desire to have Neal or MRJ return to this series. I have accepted the fact that there be things I can not change and things will never go back to the way they use to. I look forward to seeing MRJ continue to move forward in his career rather it be movie or tv series. And after seeing him at the TCA’s and Finest Hours Red Carpet baby look darn GOOD and quite happy!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
I truly have no idea whose the biggest victim on this show?
All THIS.
It also drives me nuts the way they give away one character’s storyline to another character, and then retcon the original character. Hook = Mashup of Emma and Rumple at this point.
A ridiculous side thought: I wonder if we got Vampire Diaries to blame for Hook. Colin looks vaguely similar to Ian Somerhalder, and it was also a “villain flip” sort of thing. I can just see the ABC execs take a look at CW’s success with VD, and go “Hrrmm. They’re doing really well with their 18-34 female demographic, and recruiting teens too. Oh look, this Damon character, he is popular. Why don’t we have one of those?”
Just kidding. Sort of.
I truly have no idea whose the biggest victim on this show?
All THIS.
It also drives me nuts the way they give away one character’s storyline to another character, and then retcon the original character. Hook = Mashup of Emma and Rumple at this point.
A ridiculous side thought: I wonder if we got Vampire Diaries to blame for Hook. Colin looks vaguely similar to Ian Somerhalder, and it was also a “villain flip” sort of thing. I can just see the ABC execs take a look at CW’s success with VD, and go “Hrrmm. They’re doing really well with their 18-34 female demographic, and recruiting teens too. Oh look, this Damon character, he is popular. Why don’t we have one of those?”
Just kidding. Sort of.
Maybe i mean katherine death was equal to Neal`s and some writers from TVD worked on buffy with jane and there is a writer from ouat that worked on tvd on s1. The diference is, they dont say all was planned dozen of years ago, in fact, all cast of pretty vocal on public that they dont like certain aspects of the characters and of certain things that happen on the show.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
They planned S1 and S3A well, there was a good build up and a lot of pay off in both seasons, I think when they decided to do the show: Snow White, Rumplestiltskin and Peter Pan were always their top stories they wanted to do on the show. S1 was Snow White, S2 was passing time till Peter Pan rights were available, S3 Peter Pan.
This is not even remotely true. They did not plan Neverland from the beginning.We know that to be true because they said they had another plan for Season 3 and changed it at the last minute. They may have always wanted to do Neverland characters, but they always wanted to do a bunch of stories. Neverland isn’t special in any way anymore then they wanted to do Wonderland characters or Sleeping Beauty characters or any of the other stuff they have done.
After that, after the main storylines for each character were resolved: Snow and Charming finally together, Rumple finding his son and doing the right thing and being brave at the end, Emma having a second chance at being Henry’s mom, Regina realizing her mistakes, learning to let go of Her son because that’s what’s best for him and sacrificing her happiness by helping other – mirroring the pilot, the curse was undone and the fairytale characters returned to be only stories. This is what they planned for the story, this is when the story ended. After that what we got was subpar, ships, rushness, Frozen, millions of characters, infantilized characterization, cheap unplanned twists for the sake of shock value only, etc… – Everything just seems unplanned – which it is, they just want to keep their job, which I get, I don’t have a problem with that, but they should just stop lying about everything just to make excuses for their lazy writing, they should just stop talking and avoid social media.
Everything has been unplanned since mid season 2 when they tossed out their plan and decided to do Neverland, everything has been unplanned since they randomly kept Hook even though he was supposed to be in only one episode and that’s it. This show has been a mess for awhile. This season they had clearly not planned the end when they wrote the beginning.
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