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If they really had done that, it was because they needed someone who looked like dylan. I honestly don’t think they have any long term plans for Neal, they made it pretty clear that it’s Hook they want, no matter how it doesn’t make sense and that they had to sacrifice characters for this pairing to make any kind of sense.
This is just not true. They planned for Neal to be Emma’s love interest. Everything about how his character was introduced and discussed all through Season 1 then opening Season 2 showing him in New York suggests that. The fact that they decided to keep Hook on after he filmed an episode doesn’t mean he was wanted or part of the plan. He became part of the plan when they threw out the original plan.
[adrotate group="5"]My friend (@dontstopbelivin) has a great metaphor for OUAT that I think I’d like to share. The story of OUAT was a bridge and it was really Emma’s fairy tale. When we meet the Swan, she is broken hearted and closed off and has her famous walls but over the course of the show, in the end, with villains and magic and plot along the way, she opens up and becomes a fully realized Savior. Emma was always supposed to go dark (heroes journey 101) but on the other side of that darkness were her home and her family. Part of this narrative bridge was Neal and SwanFire. It was part of the structure that held up that bridge. The story of Emma becoming the fully realized Savior and a fully realized Emma Swan was finding a new kind of Tallahassee with Neal and Henry in the town of Storybrooke with the Evil Queen, Snow White, Prince Charming, Rumple, and Belle and everyone else. It was the idea that Tallahassee need not be the actual Floridian city but a feeling–it was the feeling of home. Never forget that this entire series began with Emma being cast out of her home. The ending is clear: Emma Swan comes home at long last and is embraced by and embraces all those she loves with open arms. What happened, along the way, was the the show removed those structural beams and replaced them Styrofoam. The narrative is still there: Emma will still go on her heroes journey and still rise as a fully realized Savior and fully realized Emma Swan but the poetry, the magical poetry of OUAT, is long gone. Instead of Neal, we have another character who doesn’t have the same resonance and poetic appeal that Neal did in terms of Emma’s journey to find her home and now with our current plot of Emma’s battle with the darkness. Who better to know what it means to be lost to the power of the Dark One if not Nealfire Cassidy? This entire show centered around a young boy who watched his father be over taken by the Darkness, flee from that father, and then that father seek out a way to find him again and create a Savior in the process. Hook’s character is periphery to all of that and that’s why the narrative bridge is now so lackluster and full of holes. It can’t hold up under the scrutiny it once did because it has removed its support beams.Quote
I so agree. It was Emma as the new fairytale character. That was the show. A show that should have hit all the beats that Emma’s journey should have been. That has all fallen completely apart with the removal of Neal. I hate how the writers still talk about the show being about hope. There is no hope with Neal dead. There is no happily ever after for Rumpel with Neal did. There is no resolution for Emma and Henry with Neal did. The complete structure of the storytelling fell apart when they made Hook a love interest and then randomly killed of Neal. It doesn’t work story wise which is so much more important then which character is more attractive.
But if it’s true that MRJ did not want to leave the show and he was not fired and it really WAS “bold storytelling”, than maybe. MRJ could make time for both shows. After all, I heard A and E handpicked him and Belle. Maybe because they knew these two will have a very small but hugely significant part…? Maybe hook and pan would be the big bad and underworld is the new neverland? Why would A and E hand-pick actors? Pan: “you look so adorable, its hard to tell wich one to kill firt” Pan: “no it is’t, you. You first.” So next Belle will die and Pan will win until Golden Hero fights back by sacrificing more than just his life, this time etc.
Um doesn’t killing off your character if you don’t want to leave kind of another way they are saying, “You are fired?”We will meet again, in another life...
They planned S1 and S3A well, there was a good build up and a lot of pay off in both seasons, I think when they decided to do the show: Snow White, Rumplestiltskin and Peter Pan were always their top stories they wanted to do on the show. S1 was Snow White, S2 was passing time till Peter Pan rights were available, S3 Peter Pan.
This is not even remotely true. They did not plan Neverland from the beginning.We know that to be true because they said they had another plan for Season 3 and changed it at the last minute. They may have always wanted to do Neverland characters, but they always wanted to do a bunch of stories. Neverland isn’t special in any way anymore then they wanted to do Wonderland characters or Sleeping Beauty characters or any of the other stuff they have done.
After that, after the main storylines for each character were resolved: Snow and Charming finally together, Rumple finding his son and doing the right thing and being brave at the end, Emma having a second chance at being Henry’s mom, Regina realizing her mistakes, learning to let go of Her son because that’s what’s best for him and sacrificing her happiness by helping other – mirroring the pilot, the curse was undone and the fairytale characters returned to be only stories. This is what they planned for the story, this is when the story ended. After that what we got was subpar, ships, rushness, Frozen, millions of characters, infantilized characterization, cheap unplanned twists for the sake of shock value only, etc… – Everything just seems unplanned – which it is, they just want to keep their job, which I get, I don’t have a problem with that, but they should just stop lying about everything just to make excuses for their lazy writing, they should just stop talking and avoid social media.
Everything has been unplanned since mid season 2 when they tossed out their plan and decided to do Neverland, everything has been unplanned since they randomly kept Hook even though he was supposed to be in only one episode and that’s it. This show has been a mess for awhile. This season they had clearly not planned the end when they wrote the beginning.
Like I said, they planned Neverland, but didn’t know when they’ll do it because of copyrights issue. I agree that once they had the chance, they tossed everything away (Cora suddenly defeated midseason and not at the season finale like it should) in order to do it.
Hook was definitely not ment to be just in one episode, at least not how The Crocodile presented it.
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If they really had done that, it was because they needed someone who looked like dylan. I honestly don’t think they have any long term plans for Neal, they made it pretty clear that it’s Hook they want, no matter how it doesn’t make sense and that they had to sacrifice characters for this pairing to make any kind of sense.
This is just not true. They planned for Neal to be Emma’s love interest. Everything about how his character was introduced and discussed all through Season 1 then opening Season 2 showing him in New York suggests that. The fact that they decided to keep Hook on after he filmed an episode doesn’t mean he was wanted or part of the plan. He became part of the plan when they threw out the original plan.
I misunderstand me and I can see why, I really didn’t write that well.
I realize that Neal was originally supposed to be Emma’s love interest, but I don’t think that’s the reason they hand picked him, but rather someone who looks like Dylan or Robert is more plausible reason.
My comment about what their lack of plans for neal was about after they killed him and replaced him with Hook. NOW they don’t have any plans for Neal cause they gave everything to Hook.
I still don’t think Hook was ment to be just in one episode, not with the way The Crocodile set him up. He was clearly supposed to be a reccuring antagonist, he became unnecessary when they turned him into Emma’s love interest.
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Well it just isn’t true that Hook was supposed to be in multiple episodes. He wasn’t ever supposed to show up in the present day storyline. The writers said as much in interviews. They said that they started filming Crocodile and liked Colin and wanted to keep him on. Colin has said similar things as well. Hook could have possibly been in other flashbacks, but he was never supposed to interact with the present day characters.
They said that they started filming Crocodile and liked Colin and wanted to keep him on. Colin has said similar things as well. Hook could have possibly been in other flashbacks, but he was never supposed to interact with the present day characters.
Not even just the writers, but really ABC. They kept insisting that the writers find a way to insert Hook into more scenes. ABC sees the dailies, they make suggestions based on money and the business side of TV which mostly assumes that horrible cliche (that is sadly often true) that “sex sells.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"“Um doesn’t killing off your character if you don’t want to leave kind of another way they are saying, “You are fired?””
Yes. On one of my favorite shows, they recently killed off a character, but the actor is still staying on the show even though his character is dead. (Long story…) My point is, with a show that treats death as lightly as OUAT, keeping MRJ as an actor shouldn’t have been a problem if they still wanted him around.
I don’t think it’s a matter of not wanting MRJ. He’s clearly still somewhat close to several of the cast members–like Sean and Colin. And both MRJ and A/E have said that they would all love to work together (though, one wonders how much of that was for the benefit of social media, but I digress). I think A and E knew that they couldn’t keep Neal around and go in the CS direction and in the direction of the rebooted show that emphasized romantic love over family stories. They couldn’t think of a way to have Neal be a father to Henry and a son to Rumple and a friend to Emma within the confines of this new romantic-love show.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just don’t understand why you guys still watch the show if you hate it so much. I’ve never seen so much negativity in a forum about a show that we all still watch. I personally still think they can turn things around and get back to telling the stories properly, mainly because they have always said that they have an end game. So once they stop stalling with story lines they clearly were never planned in advance, I think the final half season or season or whatever could be really great. But for those of you who feel like Neal’s death killed the show and it’s past the point of fixing it, I don’t get why you still watch it. Despite it’s huge flaws, especially in this last half season, I still enjoy it, so I’m still here. Are you guys just determined to finish it out because you’ve invested all this time already?
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