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The overall story is that the fandom treats each other and the actors appallingly. From harassing the actors significant others to sending death threats to fellow fans who disagree on ships and characters to that time SQ blogs got hacked and so on…
As I have said before, the fandom is a cesspool of stupid.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And the award for the non-sequitur of the day goes to….
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Also, yes. She’s dead. Hence how the DO curse got passed. Also. Merlin is dead.
Good, so I can hope perhaps its possible they’ll have some kind of afterlife reconciliation. Maybe. I hope we see them again.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICZumpie? I want to believe that Zumpie is a troll who is getting his jollies by plaguing the fandom but there’s almost something too honest in Zumpie’s vitriol.
Wow. I mean, it’s sort of hilarious. But wow. And also, “Zumpie”? Really?
a fan called Sean and Colin her dads and that they were with ouat ugly monster, ugh, yeah, there are hate to everyone, but the others are still on the show, while , mrj is out and still gets hate.
@rainbow, am I reading you right? This fan called Sean and Colin her/his dads? And referred to MRJ as ouat’s “ugly monster”? I… I have no idea what to say to that. None at all. And you folks know by now that I’ll cough up an analysis of anything faster than you can say “The coffee machine is broken again.”
yep, also that person that starts with z has appears almost 60 years old.
Ouat fans have this thing of calling the actors dad and mom, bc they say the characters are their parents, when they don’t say something worst and use the actors, there are many that say their are jmo and Colin children.
but yeah about mrj, yes, and there are worst things, they actually tweeted him while on ouat that he was ugly and even tag , Adam, Colin and jmo, none of them said nothing, was mrj that had to defend himself saying that his mother thinks he is cute. But this may be in Sean ig, I think was one of the many answers to the latest pics from last month. This is the reason why I want mrj away from ouat, he gets get enough hate without being there, and even hope this doesn’t get to gos, where these haters may see just to hate and then say bad things on articles comments.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
And the award for the non-sequitur of the day goes to….
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Also, yes. She’s dead. Hence how the DO curse got passed. Also. Merlin is dead.
Good, so I can hope perhaps its possible they’ll have some kind of afterlife reconciliation. Maybe. I hope we see them again.
Merlin actor is now on a cbs show as regular that will premiere this summer, so I doubt that he will be seen filming, since he may start filming soon the new show.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
to that time SQ blogs got hacked…
*sigh* If only their energies could be redirected towards something constructive.
there are many that say their are jmo and Colin children.
appears almost 60 years old
Ok, let me get this straight: the fandom’s being largely shaped by a group of what seems to be socially maladjusted middle-schoolers, led to victory by one very active and potentially psychotic sexagenerian troll with a CS fetish.
the fandom is a cesspool of stupid
Boom.
to that time SQ blogs got hacked…
*sigh* If only their energies could be redirected towards something constructive.
there are many that say their are jmo and Colin children.
appears almost 60 years old
Ok, let me get this straight: the fandom’s being largely shaped by a group of what seems to be socially maladjusted middle-schoolers, led to victory by one very active and potentially psychotic sexagenerian troll with a CS fetish.
the fandom is a cesspool of stupid
Boom.
not just one, there are several older women on cs fandom, they are the same that say 50sog are amazing books
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Okay, serious time.
I would try to avoid brushing the entire CS fandom with one brush. Like most things, it’s probably more complicated (except Zumpie who is just…full of special). I have no doubt that there are people who ship both CS and think 50SOG is amazing. But I’m not sure there’s a 100% direct correlation. There are probably SFers who think 50SOG is good; and Swen; and OQers; and every other shipper out there, not even just localized to the OUAT fandom. Just as I’m sure there are CSers who find 50SOG as appalling as I do.
I think it’s a far larger problem. Namely education and ideas. This isn’t to say that CSers are stupid or morons or lack the kind of education that more erudite SFers have or anything. From what I can tell, there are two types of CSers: the young ones who, like a lot of young people, see Colin-as-Hook as brooding, sexy, dangerous, and thus desirable. I’m sure many of us went through a “bad boy” phase where the guy in the leather was the hottest thing in the room (hello, Gerard Way, singer of sad songs that speak to my soul).
The others are older (45+) women, most of whom are married and have children, who find Colin-as-Hook spicy, adventurous, and (without trying to psychoanalyze an entire subset of a fandom without having spoken to many of them–though we did have several here for years) are quite content in their lives, which are of the ordinary (but no less extraordinary) variety. Hook is a fantasy that breaks from the everyday. Again, I don’t want to lump them all together, but it’s the classic “housewife” trope, without all of them being actual housewives, if that makes sense. Think Twilight Moms who found Edward Cullen/Robert Pattinson the best things since sliced bread.
It’s important to remember that while feminism, feminist critique and media critique are nothing *new* the at-your-fingertips-availability of it–especially via social media–is. The CS fans, from what I personally can discern are either too young to have been introduced to these big idea of rape culture, feminism in media, ect OR older to the point that it wasn’t part of curriculum offered at college–women’s studies and media studies being not exactly traditional.
Once again, I’m not trying to paint in one stroke. There are CSers, of course, who do have advanced degrees, know the same rhetoric I know, read the same sort of methodology, but for whatever reason, read the text differently. But from inside the fandom, the most vocal CSers, seem to fall into those two camps.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Colin-as-Hook as brooding, sexy, dangerous, and thus desirable. I’m sure many of us went through a “bad boy” phase where the guy in the leather was the hottest thing in the room (hello, Gerard Way, singer of sad songs that speak to my soul).
Oh absolutely, if anything one wonders why that stereotype has been so incredibly enduring. I mean, why the leather? (Also, considering the changes in fashion, I wonder what women got hung up on in the 18th century. I mean, there’s a different look for you from your classic 18th century bad boy:)
Ok ok, back to serious.
It’s important to remember that while feminism, feminist critique and media critique are nothing *new* the at-your-fingertips-availability of it–especially via social media–is. The CS fans, from what I personally can discern are either too young to have been introduced to these big idea of rape culture, feminism in media, ect OR older to the point that it wasn’t part of curriculum offered at college–women’s studies and media studies being not exactly traditional.
This sounds spot on to me, and I think you’re right, it has a lot to do with generational access to certain ideas. And while I was being a bit facetious with my comments, I think maybe what I was trying to get is that there’s a step, I think, between being a fan and liking certain forms of entertainment, and being a member of a fandom, and one that is very active in particular ways. We all consume all sorts of media, and we all participate, in one way or another, in fandom(s). While I personally find 50SOG risible, this doesn’t mean that I would find the person who gets a kick out of it risible. What one does in the privacy of their imagination is absolutely their business. In fact I think it’s possible — and probably necessary — to enjoy something while not shying away from critiquing it.
I suppose I’m fascinated with this particular aspect of OUAT’s fandom culture because it almost looks like OUAT’s creators produced this Frankenstein’s creature, that, like in the book, they’re now unable to control and are terrified of (and maybe for good reason). And I guess I’m curious about the different social processes that have made this possible. Hearing you folks discuss it, I think a good chunk of the responsibility for this lies on the shoulders of the OUAT crew, and perhaps even ABC, in that it almost looks like they fed it, or at least didn’t set a tone of cordiality and respectfulness, but enabled something really unpleasant to emerge.
I suppose I’m fascinated with this particular aspect of OUAT’s fandom culture because it almost looks like OUAT’s creators produced this Frankenstein’s creature, that, like in the book, they’re now unable to control and are terrified of (and maybe for good reason). And I guess I’m curious about the different social processes that have made this possible. Hearing you folks discuss it, I think a good chunk of the responsibility for this lies on the shoulders of the OUAT crew, and perhaps even ABC, in that it almost looks like they fed it, or at least didn’t set a tone of cordiality and respectfulness, but enabled something really unpleasant to emerge.
The odd thing though is that the fandom wasn’t at all like this in S1. Sure, there may have been the oddball troll here and there, but for the most part, being part of the fandom was a very enjoyable experience. Then the division really happened in season two, which incidentally is when Hook was introduced (I count Neal as technically being part of season one, since he appeared as Baelfire). The tension in S2 really mounted until it came to a head after S2 ended, when the love triangle was being promoted. Before Neal died, there was a lot of online harassament going on, mostly direct against Neal fans, though of course there was some in the other direction, too.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@Slurpeez is totally spot on. The fandom used to be completely amazing. I mean, you had a few GoldenSwan people who were pretty intense, especially post Skin Deep. But for the most part, being part of this fandom wasn’t an all out battle for “who is right?!” We had thoughtful, intense, meaningful conversations about, not only the plot, but evil/good, morality, family, ect.
Tallahassee really was the watershed moment. The second Emma and Hook got on screen together and started to climb that beanstalk (while in the past, we learned how Neal hurt Emma–with August’s interference) the fandom broke. The SFers couldn’t believe anyone would honestly think Hook was a serious suitor. And the CSers pointed out that Emma could never forgive Neal but clearly the writers were setting Hook up as her second chance at love. From there, the mid season finale “Queen of Hearts” split us even more. SFers were horrified by the sword-joke and the leaving in jail to die, CSers defended it as “they were enemies!” and pointed to the bean (which they still use as a totum of CS–yes, the dried up and useless one).
From there….well, from there, it never ended. From there it was one fight after the next. Hook was a villain; Neal was a druggie. Hook was secondary in the story; Neal loved Tamara too much. Hook betrayed Emma in 222; Neal let go of Emma’s hand in the portal. Hook flirted with Tinkerbell; Neal used Roland as bait. Hook bribed a kiss from Emma; Emma “wished Neal would stay dead.”
And on. And on. And on. The official FB and Twitter did NOT help. At all. From not knowing how to spell Neal’s name (they thought it was Neil) to tweeting non-stop CS gifs and images and talking about how Captain Hook made everyone swoon. And then the spoiler of doom happened and I didn’t sleep for the entire month of January, shut down both shipping threads for various moments so I could yell at people; and was constantly playing referee.
And then Neal died and…well. Welcome to post-Neal fandom. No one likes anyone and everyone is angry at the show or angry at people who are angry at the show.
EDITED TO ADD: and this was only focused on CS and SF. This is to say nothing of SQ and their insertion into this drama makes it even more chaotic. While I tend to believe that they get the main theme of the show (family) but take it too far (Emma and Regina as a couple), you add them into the mix and things get out of hand. They weren’t huge fans of Neal (because he could wind up with Emma) but they loathed Hook (because he stands for a lot of things Swen hates, honestly reading some Swen commentary on CS and Hook is fairly enlightening). But once Neal died, SQ got really sympathetic toward Neal and most now are of the “if not Regina, then Neal” persuasion. To say they despise CS is an understatement.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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