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Colifer is the real-life shipping of Colin and Jennifer Morrison. It’s…intense. And it tends to involve a lot of subtext of interviews, BTS photos, and secret meetings between the two. It also involves treating Helen (Colin’s real life wife) horribly. The things said/tweeted/ect about her, to her, is well horrible. Remilie is basically the same thing but with Robert Carlyle and Emilie de Ravin. Zumpie. Oh. How to describe Zumpie? I want to believe that Zumpie is a troll who is getting his jollies by plaguing the fandom but there’s almost something too honest in Zumpie’s vitriol. Zumpie hates (not a strong enough word) Neal. I mean…LOATHES. With the fire of a thousand suns. Zumpie began the tradition of calling him Bagelfire and referring to him as just Bagel. Go to any OUAT article on TVLine or EW and scroll through the comments. Trust me, you’ll see Zumpie. Zumpie single-handedly will tear apart any person who dares to say that they don’t like Hook, calling into question their tastes and intellect. Zumpie’s Tumblr is a manefesto to terrifying logic and thought and absolute complete hatred to SF/SQ and adoration to Colin and CS. Zumpie will go on to other non-CS tumblrs and send hate (from “you suck!” to “go kill yourself”), co-opt the appropriately tagged (cause you ALWAYS tag your hate on Tumblr) posts and turn them into diatribes about how Hook is a god and we should be so grateful for his presence on us mere mortals. I mean… @rainbow could give some more colorful examples because any time I see Zumpie commenting on an article, I flee before I get sucked into that web.
The worst is that everyone in ouat say nothing, bc most of the hate comes from cs fans, yeah not from sq fans, they are hated bc they tell what everyone thinks but doesn’t have to courage to tweet the writers, and they may be rude, but yeah, most of hate is like cs fans vs all the rest fans, if u are not with cs u are a hater and don’t deserve to live in this world, and this is accepted by ouat people, bc they can’t go against cs fans, they have to sell that cs was always planned since s1, Adam is afraid of them I say, jmo is a brainless person that acts like a crazy school girl every time she is with Colin, she acts like she is Emma and Colin is hook, always touching him, hugging him, sometimes u can see he is uncomfortable with that but the show must go on and they should sell cs and in bwt colifer is born, ugh ouat fandom is a hot mess.
While I do admit that some CS Fans are quite awful, SQ takes the cake. I have seen these people not only turn on even Lana and JMo, especially poor JMo who constantly takes the heat from this group because if you don’t ship SQ, you’re automatically a homophobe to them. They’ve called Sean and Colin’s children trolls, their wives ugly, and even wished death on this men. And while they may show little support to MRJ, they weren’t exactly having tea party with him either, they’re defending Neal now because they’re just now realizing Hook is the worse route for Emma to take. BUT, they are most certainly not alone, OutlawQueen are just as guilty with their absolutely horrifying treatment towards Christie Lang and Bex! CaptainSwan mainly attacked MRJ, and from time to time take jabs at Lana for “encouraging” SQ. And even SwanFire, not us, but others have attacked Colin calling him a rapist for playing the role.
It’s especially awful when these fandoms attack these actors spouses because you ship Seana (Sean & Lana) Colifer (Colin & JMo) & Remilie (Robert & Emilie). Can anyone just act without being shipped together! Can a man and a woman, two men, or even two women just be on TV anymore without immediately being bombarded with ships???! Whatever happened to the term “Just Friends”? OUAT Fandom as a whole is screwed up beyond repair thanks to baiting, baiting, baiting and ships, ships, and ships! All courtesy of Mr. Horowitz and Mr. Kitsis of course.
I’ve reached a point where I’m struggling to ship OutlawQueen anymore because this titanic ship has hit one too many icebergs for me. Lana ignores anything OQ related, Sean is just taking the daily blows from Anti OQ Fans, and really what’s the point anymore? What’s the point in shipping anything on OUAT when all Adam and Eddy will do is destroy it? I maybe turning in my OQ Badge soon, but I’ll keep my EvilRegal, RegalBeliever, and WickedSisters badges….I just wanna watch OUAT and ship nothing because shipping is nothing but pollution.
The only peaceful group that is in this OUAT Fandom is probably the Rumbelle Fans. And that’s probably it.
I’m honestly at a point where I just want to go back to Season 1 Style. Back when all that mattered were Ugly Ducklings, Evil Regals, Dearies, Charms, & Snowflakes and everyone was sort of at peace with one another.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
The only peaceful group that is in this OUAT Fandom is probably the Rumbelle Fans. And that’s probably it.
Which is interesting. I think that’s because they are one of the few couples who, like Snowing, haven’t been in any real relationship danger from the “love triangle” drama that seems to keep sprouting up. I think basically everyone in the fandom accepts them as a couple because there is no third party who can take Belle away from Rump, or Rump away from Belle.
Although now that Cora’s back….
I’m honestly at a point where I just want to go back to Season 1 Style. Back when all that mattered were Ugly Ducklings, Evil Regals, Dearies, Charms, & Snowflakes and everyone was sort of at peace with one another.
I wonder when things got so crazy in this fandom. I don’t recall season 1 or 2 being so…volatile. Perhaps it was in early season 3 when the bridge started getting a little rocky what with Hook’s heel face turn and Neal’s return, and some bonding time with Regina all splitting up the fandom with who we all believed was the right fit for Emma. Yeah, I think it was then.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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Which is interesting. I think that’s because they are one of the few couples who, like Snowing, haven’t been in any real relationship danger from the “love triangle” drama that seems to keep sprouting up. I think basically everyone in the fandom accepts them as a couple because there is no third party who can take Belle away from Rump, or Rump away from Belle. Although now that Cora’s back….
LOL! Cora spun more than gold that night!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I don’t know if I can pinpoint one subsection of the fandom that is worst, but I also think it depends on where you’re standing originally. @WickedRegal as a devout Evil Regal is probably more focused on the SQ subsection because it affects her favorite character and her main ship on the show (OQ). I, as a die hard SFer and Neal stan, think the CSers take the proverbial cake.
The only peaceful group that is in this OUAT Fandom is probably the Rumbelle Fans. And that’s probably it.
Because Snowing shippers don’t *really* exists much. I mean, yeah. We all sorta ship Snowing in the obvious way, but there are few and far between die hard “this is my OTP” Snowing shippers.
But as for the Rumbellers….maybe it’s because I was a Rumbeller and a major Rumple stan but I don’t know if I quite agree. There are some Rumbelle shippers who’s Twitter accounts should probably be taken away at this point for harassment of Adam, the paps, and Robert/Emilie (not naming names)
Most of them strongly dislike Hook but not necessarily for SF reasons. But rather for Hook vs Rumple reasons. They mourn Neal but more because of what he met to Rumple. Because they may not be as invested in the CSF triangle (as, say Slupreez or myself were) that might be why they are perceived as the more peaceful of the lot of us.
Ultimately the most normal are the non-shippers. People who just want a good story and don’t particularly care who ends up with whom so long as it makes narrative and logical sense. Those people are few and far between and I even suspect that even they have–if not shipping tendencies–at least some leanings in some areas. Of course, most of these people are frustrated with 1) the illogical nature of the narrative and 2) the constant ship wars and 3) the angry fans. So, we’re back to what I said a page ago about how everyone kinda hates everyone.
It just occurred to me that I have spent way too much time actively analyzing this fandom. I need a vacation.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wonder when things got so crazy in this fandom. I don’t recall season 1 or 2 being so…volatile. Perhaps it was in early season 3 when the bridge started getting a little rocky what with Hook’s heel face turn and Neal’s return, and some bonding time with Regina all splitting up the fandom with who we all believed was the right fit for Emma. Yeah, I think it was then.
If you read my post last page, I kinda really laid it all out and it was really Tallahassee as the watershed moment. I mean, go back and read the threads from S2. People were divided themselves right quick into Hook or Neal camps. Season 2 was plenty volatile but not in the boiling water way that it is now. It could scald you but the levels hadn’t reached the levels they later would.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I mean, go back and read the threads from S2
Actually, as the Merlin of this little land, let me do it for you
These are all from S2 threads
From a “Tallahassee” thread
I suggested it last week but now I really want at least SOME romantic tension between Hook and Emma. After all Snow and Charming fell in love during a quest to retrieve David’s mother’s ring back from trolls why can Emma and Hook fall for each other over a quest to find a magic compass?
I don’t know. Maybe it’s because I already ship SwanFire right now, but I just don’t see it yet.
Hook is very attractive, and I like the actor so far, but I don’t really sense any chemistry yet between him and any ladies. He had okay chemistry with Milah, but I bought it more from her end then from him. Overall, I have to say that I’m sort of disappointed in Captain Hook, at least villain wise. He’s not even as “bad” to me as Jefferson is right now. Sure he let Cora kill all those villagers, but it was off screen. Other than that, I’m finding him boring as a villain or even anti-hero although very hot to look at. I just hope that they make him a little bit more bite.
I’m a Swanfire, fan, too, even though I don’t expect anything at all to happen between them anytime soon. They have too many problems and secrets between them, assuming he’s Henry’s father. So I do think Emma will be paired with someone else this season. My problem is, like Bee, I won’t root for anyone she’s with until it’s Baelfire. I really wasn’t even a fan of Graham/Emma and that lasted a whole three seconds.
Emma is such a strong person that she can handle Hook on any level. As far as Emma pulling the knife on him well hey he’s a pirate! He could take that foreplay
Anyway the mirroring between meeting Henry’s father and going on this journey with Hook is the one we’ll all look to first but I’m hoping it’ll also mirror the journey her parents took when they first met. So I hope it’s at least explored a little.That’s just a sampling and a mild one at that. Want more from S2 but that were slightly more explosive?
From a “Straight On Till Morning….” thread
You guys think they look good together?
-Jennifer looked better with Ted on How I Met Your Mother.
-Jennifer Looked better with the guy who played Superman in the movie, Table for Three
-Jennifer has sparking chemistry with the mad hatter. For the few scenes she had with him. It makes no sense for them to be together but they had really great chemistry
-Emma was best with Graham. You could just feel it. Graham’s personal curse broke after Emma kissed him. She gave him back his memories. She made heartless Graham into a believer. If Emma was a believer I think they could’ve had true love’s kiss. I don’t think Henry would be alive if Emma wasn’t a believer when she kissed him.Anyway, those love scenes with Neal made me gag. I want him dead.
So, in essence, the water was beginning to boil. Those are just a few samplings. If you really want to see, go read the first 150pages of CS.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, our fandom is the craziest I’ve been in. This zumpie person is horrible and recently I went to imdb’s forum, which I might not continue, and she’s there with the nickname ‘deetdee’, so if you happen to go there, don’t have a conversation with her. She is rude and just insult everyone. I try to avoid the places where OUAT fandom is crazy like twitter (I only tweeted Adam few times about what I thought). I think the most pleasant places for oncers to state their opinion is here amd the wikia forums.
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Okay, serious time. I would try to avoid brushing the entire CS fandom with one brush. Like most things, it’s probably more complicated (except Zumpie who is just…full of special). I have no doubt that there are people who ship both CS and think 50SOG is amazing. But I’m not sure there’s a 100% direct correlation. There are probably SFers who think 50SOG is good; and Swen; and OQers; and every other shipper out there, not even just localized to the OUAT fandom. Just as I’m sure there are CSers who find 50SOG as appalling as I do. I think it’s a far larger problem. Namely education and ideas. This isn’t to say that CSers are stupid or morons or lack the kind of education that more erudite SFers have or anything. From what I can tell, there are two types of CSers: the young ones who, like a lot of young people, see Colin-as-Hook as brooding, sexy, dangerous, and thus desirable. I’m sure many of us went through a “bad boy” phase where the guy in the leather was the hottest thing in the room (hello, Gerard Way, singer of sad songs that speak to my soul). The others are older (45+) women, most of whom are married and have children, who find Colin-as-Hook spicy, adventurous, and (without trying to psychoanalyze an entire subset of a fandom without having spoken to many of them–though we did have several here for years) are quite content in their lives, which are of the ordinary (but no less extraordinary) variety. Hook is a fantasy that breaks from the everyday. Again, I don’t want to lump them all together, but it’s the classic “housewife” trope, without all of them being actual housewives, if that makes sense. Think Twilight Moms who found Edward Cullen/Robert Pattinson the best things since sliced bread. It’s important to remember that while feminism, feminist critique and media critique are nothing *new* the at-your-fingertips-availability of it–especially via social media–is. The CS fans, from what I personally can discern are either too young to have been introduced to these big idea of rape culture, feminism in media, ect OR older to the point that it wasn’t part of curriculum offered at college–women’s studies and media studies being not exactly traditional. Once again, I’m not trying to paint in one stroke. There are CSers, of course, who do have advanced degrees, know the same rhetoric I know, read the same sort of methodology, but for whatever reason, read the text differently. But from inside the fandom, the most vocal CSers, seem to fall into those two camps.
When I talked 50sog thing, I didn’t mentioned all cs fandom, I mentioned some of zumpie group, that are many older women and that they say 50sog is amazing and there is no problem with the ideas of the books. That is something I saw them saying. I would not say all cs fandom, I mean almost all online ouat fandom has some serious problems, there are some crazy people in all parts of the fandom, SF has Mer that only sees ouat to hate watch, there are some crazy people in RB fandom, on SQ there are some group of people that are problematic as well basically in every ships, since that is what the show has become.
That happens bc they are also helped by the people from OUAT, I mean Adam is involved is some serious thing, that even made some cs fan defend some sq fans, bc Adam was stalking his name in some tag, the sq fans were just speaking bwt themselves about the show, but the funny thing, not even the show was tag, the only possible thing that could have been tag was Adam and eddy and Adam started interacting with these fans saying they were wrong, and those tweets were from months ago, is like he is patrolling what people say on their tweets to tell them they are wrong.
Like i keep saying, the problems in the fandom start i say in the cast, crew , writers that have no idea how to make PR/ selling the show and actually talk with the fans, they let themselves dig a hole, and then they can’t come out. I mean I don’t see these type of pr in any other abc show. And not even mention hwo they are not biased, in who they talk good or talk bad.
I ussually blame media, network, which I still do, but at same time I understand them, for them this is business and as long the show is polemic and has people see the articles,media and network will keep talking about it and even sell the issues that are problematic, bc as long the show name is out there, for antis and pro fans, then they all win.
For example, I had no idea that ouat social media were running by a independent company that not abc, and this company use estatistics to see what is more popular shows they work, they don’t care if is from pro or anti to make the publicity, they only care about what if is canon appears, so that is why only hook and cs are do promoted there and why they erase anti fans comments on Facebook, etc, in the end even tho the fans, media, network have their share of blame, I still say, that cast, crew and writers have no idea of how to pr/sell the show, with things things they say to fans I don’t even think is abc telling them what to do, the network says u have to sell the show, so in their minds if they see abc selling cs and hook they have to get along with it, bc I don’t think abc tells them they have to be rude to fans.
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hile I do admit that some CS Fans are quite awful, SQ takes the cake. I have seen these people not only turn on even Lana and JMo, especially poor JMo who constantly takes the heat from this group because if you don’t ship SQ, you’re automatically a homophobe to them. They’ve called Sean and Colin’s children trolls, their wives ugly, and even wished death on this men. And while they may show little support to MRJ, they weren’t exactly having tea party with him either, they’re defending Neal now because they’re just now realizing Hook is the worse route for Emma to take. BUT, they are most certainly not alone, OutlawQueen are just as guilty with their absolutely horrifying treatment towards Christie Lang and Bex! CaptainSwan mainly attacked MRJ, and from time to time take jabs at Lana for “encouraging” SQ. And even SwanFire, not us, but others have attacked Colin calling him a rapist for playing the role.
See that hate towards the actors hapens when they do PR, that is always bad, worst bc they say things that contradict what they said on previous seasons, bc while they can try to pretend that past seasons never happened on the show, on interviews they cant try to pretend the same thing, and when fans call them upon those past interviews , they are called haters and the cast, crew and writers try to pretend they never saw those things before, basically instead of doing PR, they lie to fans, which is not always a good option.
The hate happens when people get tired of being called stupid by them, we clearly talked how JMo is horrible making PR, and im sorry, is clear for me that she hates SQ, even before the ship started growing and she cant deny, like any of us cant, that they bait SQ a lot, the ship may be fanon, but the bait is there, is not invention of the fans, so she cant deny that there are no hints of SQ, Colin and Sean get hate mostly bc of how they behave, Colin is a afraid of standing against his fans, when they bully others and even his wife, he never made a statment for people to stop with colifer, not to mention that him also tries to pretend past seasons never happened, like when he said that on the show he was the only one that had similar past to emma, that in the show no other character had similar background like them, how emma needed a man like hook to became a real woman, more feminin, see this things triger people and cause fans to call the cast, that then brings the fans of that character and hate everywhere, so becomes a hate circle, with Sean, what can i say about sean, other than he is awful doing PR, just like adam, he begs to be hated, he goes to SQ tags, call the fans, call them crazy, say if they dont like the show to stop seing, and im sorry he is vulgar, the same way JMo acts like colin is hook on real life, Sean acts that way with Lana, i mean, if i was lana like i would have a talk about what he says, like when he was asked what he thought of Lana, and he said she was amazing and her boobs and ass were also amazing, im like, what, behave, there are selling the show and there is behave with respect , the sad thing is that from all the cast members, Jared is the one that behaves like an adult, when he says that he doesnt ship anyone, he is simply paid to act what is on the script.
It’s especially awful when these fandoms attack these actors spouses because you ship Seana (Sean & Lana) Colifer (Colin & JMo) & Remilie (Robert & Emilie). Can anyone just act without being shipped together! Can a man and a woman, two men, or even two women just be on TV anymore without immediately being bombarded with ships???! Whatever happened to the term “Just Friends”? OUAT Fandom as a whole is screwed up beyond repair thanks to baiting, baiting, baiting and ships, ships, and ships! All courtesy of Mr. Horowitz and Mr. Kitsis of course.
The answer to this is the one u gave on your post, the hate to the families happens bc of whatt u said, but the worst regarding OUAT is that they dont bait only in the show, their way to make PR, is pretending that when they are in public the cast are their characters and they keep touching each other hugging, crossing some bonderies, that even Gosh doesnt cross and they are married on the show and real life.
So we all go back to the beginning, PR, in ouat is awful.
And to add more fuel to this long division( is a episode name for GOS by the way), now inside the ships there are divisions bwt the actor and character fans, i note this, on Neal/MRJ case, people want Neal so much on the show, that they wish and i saw tweets about this, that GOS gets cancelled or his character dies, so that he can return to ouat, and im like,what?
1st that has no connection ;
2nd MRJ may not even want to go back and they may not want to have him back full time or any other way;
3rd I say this people vent about the show, say how the fandom is awfull but want an actor to go back to this nightmare.
The same is happening with other people, Evil Regals and OQ some want Lana and sean on other things, others say no, we want Regina and Robin, even if their writing is bad, the same with colin, Robert, JMO, Emilie, GOSH, so besides having ship wars, now there is another type of wars, the ones that are bwt the characters and the actors fans.
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