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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • July 8, 2016 at 1:15 pm #325319
    Slurpeez
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    Neal & Emma – You – a very well made fan video:

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    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    July 8, 2016 at 5:03 pm #325328
    hjbau
    Participant

    I actually do think that Emma knows when her birthday is exactly or at least within a day. I think it is very obvious when a baby is a newborn. There are all sorts of things about a newborn baby or thinks that happen right after a baby is born that makes it very obvious the baby has just been born.

    I do agree that it seems like a lot of the people seem to base all of their complaints about Neal’s age at the time of Henry’s conception on how the actors look at the time. That is just complete nonsense. Obviously neither Jennifer or MRJ’s look 17 or 18, but that has no relevance at all. I agree completely with everything you said about them being true loves, they still are, based on Emma’s reaction to her true dream where she spoke to Neal in the last season. She is, clearly, still in love with Neal and would have come to save him if she could have. Jennifer has always acted as if it is Neal who is her true love and not Hook and that is how it is portrayed in the show, regardless if the writers are now trying to have their cake and eat it to by pretending that Hook is possibly her new true love. Though that is not canon.

    July 8, 2016 at 6:16 pm #325330
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    I do agree that it seems like a lot of the people seem to base all of their complaints about Neal’s age at the time of Henry’s conception on how the actors look at the time. That is just complete nonsense. Obviously neither Jennifer or MRJ’s look 17 or 18, but that has no relevance at all. I agree completely with everything you said about them being true loves, they still are, based on Emma’s reaction to her true dream where she spoke to Neal in the last season. She is, clearly, still in love with Neal and would have come to save him if she could have. Jennifer has always acted as if it is Neal who is her true love and not Hook and that is how it is portrayed in the show, regardless if the writers are now trying to have their cake and eat it to by pretending that Hook is possibly her new true love. Though that is not canon.

    I agree that they still are, and always will be, each other’s true love. Why else would Emma declare she never stopped loving him and that she probably always would? Why else have Neal declare in 5×12 that he loved Emma and always would? Because they still love each other, deeply. Outside of Snow and Charming loving each other truly, Neal and Emma’s love is the simplest and most obvious case of romantic true love in the series. The swan pendant only confirms what is obvious to others who aren’t CS fans with myopic vision. Hence, Belle’s reasonable explanation for why the swan pendant crossed realms, the way Snowing’s ring and Rumbelle’s chipped cup did.

    Also, I agree that Emma shoving Hook out of way in S5b really wasn’t a clear demonstration of Hook being Emma’s new true love. It was a way to appease CS fans while leaving it very open-ended and ambiguous whether it confirmed anything new. In my estimation, the only thing it shows for sure is that Emma has true love in her heart and thus was able to pass. Of all of the people in the world, Emma Swan is most likely to fit that specific qualification because she is born of her parents’ true love and is The Savior. Of course, her heart is going to be full of true love! I think Emma would have done the same for any of her family and close friends, including Regina or Ruby. Does that mean Emma is in love them? No. While I think Emma is in love with Hook, she didn’t seem so certain when she brought it up to Hook whether that love was real or not. I think when love is real, you don’t have to question it. You just know. Finally, if Hook really were Emma’s new true love, I think her splitting her heart to try and save him would have worked. But it clearly didn’t. She almost suffered a heart attack when Regina tried splitting it.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    July 8, 2016 at 6:28 pm #325336
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Exactly, you have to be a really good writer to write a musical episode. Writing music is just an entirely different thing. I can’t imagine that Eddie and Adam write poetry. They can’t even write a good prophecy. I think they say that they would like to write a musical episode because they know that is what the audience wants to hear, but they really have no desire at all to do so and have no intention of doing so either.

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    Joss Whedon very famously took off most of season 6–no writing or directing— of Buffy in order to solely focus on “Once More With Feeling.”

    Also, EVERYTHING Slurpeez said.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 8, 2016 at 6:47 pm #325340
    hjbau
    Participant

    I agree that still are, and always will be, each other’s true love. Why else would Emma declare she never stopped loving him and that she probably always would? Why else have Neal declare in 5×12 that he loved Emma and always would? Because they still love each other, deeply. Outside of Snow and Charming loving each other truly, Neal and Emma’s love the simplest and most obvious case of romantic true love in the series. The swan pendant only confirms what is obvious to others who aren’t CS fans with myopic vision. Hence, Belle’s reasonable explanation for why the swan pendant crossed realms, the way Snowing’s ring and Rumbelle’s chipped cup did. Also, I agree that Emma shoving Hook out of way in S5b really wasn’t a clear demonstration of Hook being Emma’s new true love. It was a way to appease CS fans while leaving it very open-ended and ambiguous whether it confirmed anything new. In my estimation, the only thing it shows for sure is that Emma has true love in her heart and thus was able to pass. Of all of the people in the world, Emma Swan is most likely to fit that specific qualification because she is born of her parents’ true love and is The Savior. Of course, her heart is going to be full of true love! I think Emma would have done the same for any of her family and close friends, including Regina or Ruby. Does that mean Emma is in love them? No. While I think Emma is in love with Hook, she didn’t seem so certain when she brought it up to Hook whether that love was real or not. I think when love is real, you don’t have to question it. You just know. Finally, if Hook really were Emma’s new true love, I think her splitting her heart to try and save him would have worked. But it clearly didn’t. She almost suffered a heart attack when Regina tried splitting it.

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    Right, there is confirmation in canon that Neal is Emma’s true love and there is not confirmation that Hook is really her new true love. I think Emma going after Hook was more about her not wanting to lose someone else then really about Hook. If she would have known she could save Neal she would have saved him and everything about the true dream scene suggests that Emma is still in love with Neal. The writers made a mistake when they changed their story because people figured it out and now it is an complete mess, but that doesn’t change the fact that Emma and Neal are true loves and that was the way the story was written.

    July 8, 2016 at 6:50 pm #325341
    hjbau
    Participant

    Joss Whedon very famously took off most of season 6–no writing or directing— of Buffy in order to solely focus on “Once More With Feeling.” Also, EVERYTHING Slurpeez said.

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    Well, writing music is really hard and Joss Whedon is a really good writer. There is no way that Adam and Eddie could write music. They wouldn’t even know where to start.

    July 8, 2016 at 7:11 pm #325345
    PriceofMagic
    Participant

    Joss Whedon very famously took off most of season 6–no writing or directing— of Buffy in order to solely focus on “Once More With Feeling.”

    Also, EVERYTHING Slurpeez said.

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    What was good about that episode was that it still fit into season 6 rather than being a “special” episode. even the characters themselves acknowledged that the singing wasn’t normal. Some clips:











    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    July 8, 2016 at 7:46 pm #325347
    hjbau
    Participant

    Yeah, they actually did a big reveal for the episode when Buffy tells the scoobies that she was in heaven and not in some hell dimension like they thought. Buffy was finally at peace in heaven and they brought her back to earth and that is why she is such a complete mess in Season 6. They used this spell where they would sing there thoughts and Buffy told them all something she was hiding. Though Ouat is complete drivel compared to Buffy.

    July 9, 2016 at 7:54 am #325357
    rainbow2
    Participant

    All this

    http://charmedrumbelle.tumblr.com/post/147136520132/onceandfuturekikiouat-violetfaust

    July 9, 2016 at 8:24 am #325358
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    “When they killed Neal, they killed the core of the show.” Really that’s it.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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