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Based on the latest spoilers, on the SDCC sneak peek and based on that A&E answer at the article, cross my mind, they probably wont, but if they wont try to parallel Yasmine and Aladdin with Neal and Emma, not in all parts obvious, bc they cant piss Cs fans, but in the sense that they may finally tell why Neal had to leave Emma to be savior, how he couldnt be with her, bc bad things would happen, since they finally going to talk about the savior thing, and by this i dont say they actually planned, simply saying that they some how show Yasmine having left Aladdin to fufill the savior role, bc like Jafar says says, saviors dont have their own happy ending and with A&E saying that thing about Sf or MRJ back for flashbacks, if this wouldnt be an opportunity to show what bad things would happen. It wont happen, but they would have the chance to finally explained or tell than untold story.
[adrotate group="5"]Oh goodness, that makes all too much sense. That they are going to compare Emma’s lack of ability to have a happy ending with Aladdin’s. Then talk about her happy ending being Hook. Excuse me why i vomit.
While, i do think the show would still have problems. I don’t agree that having a plan and sticking with it would not make the show better. The writers had a plan original. Neal was Henry’s father, Rumpel’s son and Emma’s love interest. That was told to Jennifer before they filmed the pilot. That was the plan and a central point of the show before they filmed the pilot. All sorts of hints were littered throughout the first two seasons, all sorts of character development with Rumpel and Emma was about that, leading to that being a big part of the show. Removing that, fails the plan.
It’ll come as no surprise that I completely agree. There was clearly a plan, and anyone who says otherwise is either fooling herself/himself or just doesn’t understand foreshadowing. A&E not only told JMo who would be the father of Henry, but they also told Bobby Carlyle that the son of Rumple was also Henry’s dad. The actors had that foreknowledge for a clear reason; they used it to inform their portrayal of Emma and Rumple, respectively, in the first two seasons. You can see it all the way back in Desperate Souls when Rumple told Emma that he knew how to spot a desperate soul (also heavy foreshadowing that Emma would eventually become the next dark one, if you ask me). Rumple used the love Emma had for Henry to get what he wanted the way that Zoso used the love Rumple had for Baelfire to get what Zoso wanted. Also, there was this exchange between Rumple and Emma from episode 1×8:
Mr. Gold: Well, look. Your boy might like these, don’t you think? You could play together.
(He holds up a pair of walkie talkies.)
Emma: I don’t-
Mr. Gold: No, please. They… They grow up so fast.
Emma: Thanks.
Mr. Gold: You enjoy these with your boy. Your time together is precious, you know? That’s the thing about children – before you know it, you lose them.It’s an interesting parallel done on purpose. After Manhattan, Desperate Souls is one of my other favorite episodes. It wasn’t a coincidence. It was all planed. I know you don’t need convincing, but some people miss those kinds of season-one connections. The signs don’t have to be invented; they’re right there in the scripts. Other people used to ship “Golden Swan” before they knew Rumple’s son was Henry’s dad, but I think that points to a deeper reality of the show. Both Emma and Rumple already shared a family connection, unbeknownst to either of them, in the form of both loving Henry’s dad. The writers also have said they always planned from the very start who Henry’s dad would be and that Emma would fall in love with Baelfire. They revealed in an interview that they had thought about changing the story after fans figured out that Henry’s dad was also Baelfire after “The Return” but that they decided to remain true to their original plan. They correctly realized then that to change it would have been a disaster.
Why didn’t the showrunners just stick with their guns instead of hitting a reset button in 3b? Their kingdom for a horse. The show could have been better if they had just stuck with the plan. Maybe some of the plot would still have been weak, but I argue that there wouldn’t have been so many OOC moments. It could have been a relatively half-way descent character-driven show rather than the heavily plot-driven show that it has become. The characters became weakened in S3b — which is when the evidence of poor plot holes became especially jarring. Yes, there were instances in season two and even season one in which some of the plot holes were evident, but the show made up for it somewhat with strong characterization, mystery, and interesting parallels. The show also had a reason to exist: break the curse and find Baelfire. After that, it was pretty much down hill. The show really should have ended at 3×11 –only with Neal being able to escape the curse and go with Henry and Emma to NYC because he never was part of the original curse though he was the reason for it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@rainbow wrote: Based on the latest spoilers, on the SDCC sneak peek and based on that A&E answer at the article, cross my mind, they probably wont, but if they wont try to parallel Yasmine and Aladdin with Neal and Emma, not in all parts obvious, bc they cant piss Cs fans, but in the sense that they may finally tell why Neal had to leave Emma to be savior, how he couldnt be with her, bc bad things would happen, since they finally going to talk about the savior thing, and by this i dont say they actually planned, simply saying that they some how show Yasmine having left Aladdin to fufill the savior role, bc like Jafar says says, saviors dont have their own happy ending and with A&E saying that thing about Sf or MRJ back for flashbacks, if this wouldnt be an opportunity to show what bad things would happen. It wont happen, but they would have the chance to finally explained or tell than untold story.
Sadly, I think you’re probably right, as I also wrote here. If they brought back MRJ to play Neal in another flashback, it’d probably just be to show why Emma and Neal couldn’t be together because of her being the savior. While it would further vindicate why Neal had to leave Emma in the first place, fans of Hook still wouldn’t see it that way. They’d argue he was just a jerk who abandoned Emma. It’d also be very bittersweet for Neal and Swanfire fans, who already know the true reason Neal gave up his happy ending was so that Emma could find her family. It’d be loving and moving, but all the while, the writers would only use it to reveal that Emma couldn’t be with Neal because of her role as savior and she couldn’t be with Neal now because he’s now dead, and his soul at peace in heaven. She will, however, be able to get her happy ending with Hook because of some magical, ad hoc loophole or plot device similar to when Zeus brought back Hook from the dead for unbelievable reasons. I’m sure I don’t want MRJ to come back just to set up Emma’s future with CS. It’d just be a tease for SF fans, another painful what-might-have-been kind of scenario that the writers will pretend is the way they always intended it to be. I hope MRJ has the sense not to return for that.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
[quote quote=326220]I’m sure I don’t want MRJ to come back just to set up Emma’s future with CS. It’d just be a tease for SF fans, another painful what-might-have-been kind of scenario that the writers will pretend is they way they always intended it to be. I hope MRJ has the sense not to return for that.[/quote]
Me too. I personally don’t understand why, now that they’ve made their bed, the show runners refuse to lie in it, so to speak. On the one hand, they keep setting up this hyperbolic true love to end all true loves thing. On the other, we see that very often, things don’t work out for the characters, and except from Snowing, which is by definition the unsinkable ship, and CS that gets crammed down everyone’s throat with a toilet plunger, there’s not much of a happily ever after for anyone. But it’s never addressed, or dealt with, there is not a shred of “meta” commentary about how a character might process loss, grief, and disappointment, and grow from it. Instead, it’s just a tedious plot pileup and heavy-handed injunctions to fawn over CS.
[quote quote=326220]MRJ to come back just to set up Emma’s future with CS.[/quote]
I think MRJ would never do that, by that i mean comeback to praise Cs, i mean 512 scene didnt showed that and even after on Tv line interview MRJ escape that answer about how Neal feels about CS, if he supports them, and MRJ simply avoid to answer. In fact, Adam and Eddy didnt even write Neal like that, support CS and the most funny, JMo acted in a way that she didnt acted with Cs, she showed more emotion on that scene than ever and no one denied , SQ and even CS fans, said that very evident Emma wanted to kiss Neal, bc she kept looking at her lips. YOu know my perfect end now, is a Titanic scene, Rose loved, married and had kids with other person, but in death she went back to jack, so my fav ending to piss all fandom would eb that, end with Emma dying and meeting Neal and having a Happy ending in dead.
is a Titanic scene, Rose loved, married and had kids with other person, but in death she went back to jack, so my fav ending to piss all fandom would eb that, end with Emma dying and meeting Neal and having a Happy ending in dead.
Rose could’ve had a happy ending with Jack if she just moved over a bit on the floating door. There was enough room for both of them.
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Keeper of FelixRose could’ve had a happy ending with Jack if she just moved over a bit on the floating door. There was enough room for both of them.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICHow Titanic Should Have Ended:
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Just popping in real fast (on a quick vacay) to say that @Runaroundmacy @Dontstopbeliving @heatherc1275 and @josephine and I all agree with what Slurpeez and Nevermore are saying and in fact we had about a 5 hour conversation along the same lines while driving into PA.
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