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U know what these writers may say about CS and the savior thing, they probably will make Hook savior also, meaning that the reason why CS can have HE is bc both are saviors, is stupid but all this can happen, look at dark one arc.
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I’ve got this horrible feeling that they’re gonna try and parallel KillyPoo with Jasmine, both of them being partners of a Saviour, and the strength they have to have in order to support their true loves through being a Saviour and all that. They’ll use Jasmine to build up KillyPoo’s hero status, and I wanna puke just thinking about it, especially because that gif of Jasmine saying how she’s not a prize to be won is kinda sacred to those of us in the anti-CS camp.
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Keeper of FelixI’ve got this horrible feeling that they’re gonna try and parallel KillyPoo with Jasmine, both of them being partners of a Saviour, and the strength they have to have in order to support their true loves through being a Saviour and all that. They’ll use Jasmine to build up KillyPoo’s hero status, and I wanna puke just thinking about it, especially because that gif of Jasmine saying how she’s not a prize to be won is kinda sacred to those of us in the anti-CS camp.
I am afraid of that as well. They just haven’t seem to be able to separate the couples in seasons and seasons. All the couples are jut about each other now and the larger family is barely part of the show. Except Emma and Regina, but that is because they are the two most main characters.
All the couples are jut about each other now and the larger family is barely part of the show. Except Emma and Regina, but that is because they are the two most main characters.
Even Regina and Emma’s relationship (though seemingly platonic) is there in the script, and even then, they act like two people who really love each other. I still sometimes wonder if the SQ fans are right about A&E fooling everyone. What if in the last episode Regina, Emma, and Henry just drive off into the sunset in the yellow bug leaving everyone else behind? That probably won’t happen, given Emma and Hook kissing in front of the wedding dress display, but there was a lot of heavy subtext all throughout season 5 (and season 4). Hook coming back from the dead and Robin dying is probably going to mean Emma has immense guilt over it the way she did in S4 when she brought “Marian” back from the past. Also, Emma taking on the dark curse for Regina was pretty clearly paralleled to Lancelot and Gwen, whose story has yet to be resolved, whereas Hook and Emma were paralleled to Arthur and Gwen (pink flowers of doom spring to mind). I’m just throwing it out there.
Before season 5, I would have said no way. The first 2.5 seasons were about SF. Then from S3b to S5, CS has been pushed down our throats for so long. After S5, I’m not so sure anymore because season 5 was pretty bad for Emma and Hook. Yes, he got resurrected and CS was touted as having “true love” by JMo and CO’D at CC, but the way Hook mistreated Emma in S5 is right there in the script. That “true love shove” was deliberately ambiguous. Emma also wasn’t so sure she could be certain of her and Hook’s love being authentic. But as Cyrus told Alice, if it’s really true love you don’t need proof; you just feel it. Also, the act of Emma trying to share her heart with Hook nearly gave her a heart-attack. That was as clear as was the cursed-lips fiasco of S3 that robbed Emma of her TL magic. (That was never addressed by the actors and showrunners as far as I know. I wonder why).
Now Robin Hood is out of the picture, and while it would seem impossible given Hook’s resurrection, Emma and Regina did have a lot of moments. Regina and Emma showed they believed in each other, even when Emma was cursed, whereas Hook basically reacted by trying to send Emma’s entire family to hell. Regina also tried to get Emma to confess something that Emma keeps hidden deep down but got interrupted before Emma could confess something. We, the audience, are left to assume it was Emma’s fear of commitment and moving in with Hook, as she tells him.
But, what if it was something else? What if Emma loves Regina? She certainly acts like it. True love is sacrifice, and Emma certainly sacrificed herself for Regina by taking on the dark one curse. She wanted to spare Regina, who’d worked too hard for her happy ending. Regina then seemed to lose her happy ending when Robin died. Regina risked everything for Emma by going to the UW for Emma’s sake. Emma also promised Regina to get Regina’s happy ending for her. Could Emma be Regina’s happy ending? Regina could still be the one Emma chooses at the very end of the series. We’ve already seen Ruby and Dorothy share TLK so it’s not impossible. All the subtext doesn’t seem so subtext to me anymore. Regina is still Emma’s step-grandma, but when I stand back and think about it objectively, I don’t think the SQ fans sound so crazy. They seem to be onto something.
Regina has has undergone real redemption whereas Hook really hasn’t in my opinion. Emma and Regina went from being enemies, to frenemies, to co-parents, to best friends. Regina and Emma constantly risk their lives for each other and stick by one another, no matter what. I think they’re closer to each other than they ever have been to either guy they’ve dated (excluding Neal and Daniel). Maybe it’s just all bait, but there is a heck of a lot of it. I agree that the hints do at least strongly suggest how much those ladies love each other, as they’ve demonstrated by their actions. Whether the love that Emma and Regina share is the kind of love of platonic best friends, Henry’s co-moms, or step-grandma/step-granddaughter, it clearly exists. A&E have actually managed to confound me this time.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The show really should have ended at 3×11 –only with Neal being able to escape the curse and go with Henry and Emma to NYC because he never was part of the original curse though he was the reason for it.
Regina has has undergone real redemption whereas Hook really hasn’t in my opinion. Emma and Regina went from being enemies, to frenemies, to co-parents, to best friends. Regina and Emma constantly risk their lives for each other and stick by one another, no matter what. I think they’re closer to each other than they ever have been to either guy they’ve dated (excluding Neal and Daniel). Maybe it’s just all bait, but there is a heck of a lot of it.
Absolutely. I think the subtext is definitely there — there’s a lot about SQ that seems to follow the genre conventions of early 1990s films that had at their heart a really close, somewhat ambiguous bond between two women. So something like Thelma and Louise and Fried Green Tomatoes really come to mind. I think the difference is that both of those films were really explicit commentaries about patriarchy, violence against women (domestic or otherwise), and gender/social norms. So insofar as that genre of portrayal of a close female bond is SQ’s aesthetic predecessor, SQ is in some ways more regressive. Primarily because OUAT seems to normalize the emotional and physical violence that FGT and T&L were explicitly critiquing (for example, by “promoting” CS, both on-screen and off screen).
Absolutely. I think the subtext is definitely there — there’s a lot about SQ that seems to follow the genre conventions of early 1990s films that had at their heart a really close, somewhat ambiguous bond between two women. So something like Thelma and Louise and Fried Green Tomatoes really come to mind. I think the difference is that both of those films were really explicit commentaries about patriarchy, violence against women (domestic or otherwise), and gender/social norms. So insofar as that genre of portrayal of a close female bond is SQ’s aesthetic predecessor, SQ is in some ways more regressive. Primarily because OUAT seems to normalize the emotional and physical violence that FGT and T&L were explicitly critiquing (for example, by “promoting” CS, both on-screen and off screen).
I get what you’re saying, but I do wonder still. Certainly, the actors are told to promote the heck out of the CS romance, and it also does seem to normalize violence towards women when the writers don’t comment on Hook’s agressive, seedy behavior. But they also never really explained why Hook’s cursed lips robbed Emma of the very thing that made her so special. They also didn’t comment on why dark-one Emma’s hand turned golden when she tried kissing Hook to break her curse. Why didn’t her curse break when she kissed him if they have true love? If you let the script speak for itself, it’s because Emma and Hook really don’t share true love. Why don’t the writers or actors ever say anything about all of Emma’s failed TLKs with Hook? Could it also be because A&E are misdirecting everyone so that SQ seems more like a surprise? A SQ fan wrote it better than I could. I’m not saying I’m fully on board in thinking that it’ll happen, but I certainly wouldn’t mind if it did either. I think I’d cheer for it. Also, when I think about the overwhelming amount of subtext, it really doesn’t just seem like subtext to me anymore; it seems more like foreshadowing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m not saying I’m fully on board in thinking that it’ll happen, but I certainly wouldn’t mind if it did either. I think I’d cheer for it.
The apoplectic fit that the CS faction would have would be so worth it. 🙂 But aside from that, SQ is hands down the single most complex and fleshed out relationship on the show, now that Neal is gone.
I don’t personally have any stakes in whether SQ stays platonic or is made into a romantic relationship (on screen or off), but at this stage it makes infinitely more sense than CS. That being said, the constant CS fail might also just be bad writing – the show, as they say, must go on, so there must be conflict and obstacles. Based on OUAT’s abysmal mishandling of Rumbelle, its horrid treatment of OQ, and on the flatfooted and lumpy thing that became of Snowing, the writing of actual lasting relationships on this show is a train wreck. As I understand it, CS gathered its most rabid following in the “will they or will they not” stage, but once they became an item, they quickly became even more objectionable. Seeing the show runners’ track record, if SQ becomes canon I do hope it’s at the very end, so that they can ride off into the sunset before OUAT turns it into another shambling relationship zombie (erhm… ghost ship?)
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