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One word: Olympics!
Oh obvs. It’s on nightly around here.
(just watched Michael Phelps win his 21st)
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Mmkay. I need to have a bit of a rant.
So I spent most of today going through the S5 DVD for the podcast review and there’s one really great deleted scene between Regina and Emma. In it, Emma and Regina are talking about Daniel and Regina insists she’s moved on (with Robin) and Emma gives the really telltale line, “moving on and getting over someone aren’t the same things” which is more of less what a lot of people here have been saying for a really long time. It was a great moment that emphasized how much Emma loved Neal (she then told Regina about her Neal-vision in the 100th) and it was actually a pretty moving scene.
Now, for the ranty bit. I know some will disagree with me about what is canon exactly but logistically, Adam has said for years (and even said yesterday—yes, YESTERDAY) that scenes included on the DVD are canon. That’s been the policy for awhile now. If it’s on the DVD, they consider it canon and they try to only include scenes on the DVD that they want considered canon.
So tonight, imagine my shock and surprise when Adam tweets out that none of the scenes on the DVDs–not just S5 but ALL of them–are not canon because they’ve “reclassified” and decided this is what is best.
So. The aforementioned scene? Not canon. That scene of Emma giving Henry the necklace? Not canon. That scene of Neal telling Henry about Neverland? Not canon. That scene of Neal teaching Henry to steer the ship? Not canon. Even their beloved Hook and Jello scene? Not canon. Even those little scenes that help explain the timeline and magical issues….? Not canon.
It angers me not only as a ride-or-die Neal fan and Swanfire shipper but also as someone who loves TV/narrative. Like, how on god’s green earth am I supposed to trust ANYTHING these guys write or say when they change their mind at the drop of a hat, whatever the reason? How do they expect us to have a dialogue (and all media is a dialogue) if they don’t stick to certain statements, rules and are constantly backtracking for reasons that we aren’t privy whenever it’s convenient for them!
Yeah, a lot of deleted scenes are cut because of time but a lot of them are also really endearing and sweet and are the much missed character moments! And even if they weren’t, can we pick a policy and STICK to it, please and thank you!?
Ugh. That is all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This is why the writers don’t get to decide what is canon. They just don’t. The aired episodes of the show are canon, nothing else ever is. This is one of the reasons why. What the writers say is inconsistent. They change their mind. I haven’t seen half the scenes you just mentioned and i get on a board about this show. The general audience has never seen this scenes. They are not canon. They never have been.
It is annoying for the writers to change their mind, but it was annoying for them to try to hoist their cliff notes onto the show as well. I shouldn’t have to watch deleted scenes or interviews or read their tweets to understand the show.
@RumplesGirl, maybe u can confirm, but i guess that line about not cannon from Adam comes, after some CS fan complain how deleted scenes contradict the show, bc she says that one of her friends got the DVd already and says one of the scenes, Emma says to Regina that Neal supported her going to the UW, when the scene on 512 didnt show that.
If that is really on the scene, so maybe being caught in a retcon of a previous scene, may have made Adam saying that the scenes are not canon, bc having Emma saying” Neal`s greatest gift was giving his blessing to find hook in UW”, when was the opposite of what he said, im actually happy that was deleted and is not canon.
Also, means that in previous DVd, many CS and hook scenes besides the jello are also not canon.
It’s so pathetically transparent why they’re suddenly backtracking on deleted scenes being canon.
It’s infuriating, because the fact that they even wrote that scene in the first place, that it stayed in the script through the many edits that a script goes through, that they dedicated time and money to actually shooting it, that means it’s something that matters to the storytellers. But God forbid they upset the special snowflakes they need to pander to these days, so it got cut from the episode. And now they have to change their policy on deleted scenes being canon because GOD FORBID that the special snowflakes are made to accept that Neal is still someone who Emma loves. The showrunners sold out the integrity of the story they originally wanted to tell, and as a result the quality of the show went to crap, so the result is that one subset of the fandom are the only ones still super enthused about the show, so the showrunners have to keep pandering to them, or else they’re screwed.
It’s really quite sad.
It’s so pathetically transparent why they’re suddenly backtracking on deleted scenes being canon. It’s infuriating, because the fact that they even wrote that scene in the first place, that it stayed in the script through the many edits that a script goes through, that they dedicated time and money to actually shooting it, that means it’s something that matters to the storytellers. But God forbid they upset the special snowflakes they need to pander to these days, so it got cut from the episode. And now they have to change their policy on deleted scenes being canon because GOD FORBID that the special snowflakes are made to accept that Neal is still someone who Emma loves. The showrunners sold out the integrity of the story they originally wanted to tell, and as a result the quality of the show went to crap, so the result is that one subset of the fandom are the only ones still super enthused about the show, so the showrunners have to keep pandering to them, or else they’re screwed. It’s really quite sad.
Phee like i said before, if the other quote from emma to regina was also true , im glad that the deleted scenes are not canon, bc that line if real says that Neal gave blessings to CS, which he did not, which also make us wonder how a scene like that was even written, after the 512 scene, dont they know the scripts they write to avoid writing lines like that? Im going to say it, Adam and eddy say that they decide the scenes, but i bet that they dont, i would say ABc does and then appears these inconsistences.
Emma did say that Neal said it was okay but in regards to the guilt Emma felt for loving again, not necessarily JUST about going to get Hook.
It’s not even just that scene that I’m angry about–it’s a collection of all of them PLUS the the fact that Adam and Eddy can change the rules when they like, how they like, without ever having to explain themselves or let us in on their logic. It really goes back to what I said about trust. I liked the deleted scene in S5B and I liked the deleted scenes from previous seasons but it’s more about their total disregard for anything they’ve said previously and their lack of respect for their audience and our intelligence.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@rumplesgirl, maybe u can confirm, but i guess that line about not cannon from Adam comes, after some CS fan complain how deleted scenes contradict the show, bc she says that one of her friends got the DVd already and says one of the scenes, Emma says to Regina that Neal supported her going to the UW, when the scene on 512 didnt show that. If that is really on the scene, so maybe being caught in a retcon of a previous scene, may have made Adam saying that the scenes are not canon, bc having Emma saying” Neal`s greatest gift was giving his blessing to find hook in UW”, when was the opposite of what he said, im actually happy that was deleted and is not canon. Also, means that in previous DVd, many CS and hook scenes besides the jello are also not canon.
I am so glad that scene was deleted as well, if that is what was actually said. I am not sure if that is what was said. People seem to be saying different things. I am glad the writers got their head out of the sand and realized how frustrating it would have been to Neal fans to have him somehow pass the buck to Hook. I was so glad they didn’t do that and i hope that they just leave it alone now. I would rather never see Neal again then have a terrible scene like that. Either bring him back for good or just leave it alone.
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