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That scene, at least for me makes me think that maybe was written before they film 512, so that is why probably contradicts the 512 scene, that was written after in a fan service to have neal on 512.
[adrotate group="5"]Is lack of respect for fans, but i prefer that scene to not be canon, they should have said since beginning deleted scenes are not canon, what u see is what u get, they only came saying that now, bc of that exact scene that contradicts previous 512 scene, is not even a retcon, is a total lie that makes no sense.
Good heavens. Fine here’s a transcript of it.
The scene in question is 3 mins and 23 seconds.
*The scene opens with Regina and Robin the Uunderworld loft. Regina is clearly blocked and cannot use her magic. *
*Emma enters and questions why Regina can’t use her magic. Emma worries their plan–to split her heart–will not work if Regina has no magic*
*Regina tells Emma she knows why she is blocked*
Regina: “This place hardly has good, positive energy. Every person I ever killed is here. My father, the Blind Witch, enough villagers to make a crazed mob.”
Emma: “And Daniel? That’s where this all started, right? Are you worried he’s down here or not down here?”
Regina: “I moved on.”
Emma: “Moving on and being over someone are two very different things. Maybe that’s what is holding you back. That you did move on. When we were on our way to the Underworld, I saw Neal.”
Regina: “What?”
Emma: “When I passed out, it was a vision or…a visitor…I don’t know what it was. But I saw him. My first love and I suddenly felt this immense guilt that I was coming down here to save my new love.”
Regina: “What did he do?”
Emma: “He gave me the greatest gift I could ask for….he said it was okay. Maybe being this close to Daniel is what is blocking you.”
The “okay” is NOT about going to the Underworld. It’s about loving again. It’s reassurance not permission. There is a lot of context around the scene.
AGAIN…this anger is not about one scene. It’s the principle.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I definitely agree that Eddy and Adam have no respect for their fans or their audience and have no respect for our intelligence. They seem to think we don’t understand what is going on, when the show is just so inconsistent there is just nothing to understand. That is why we can’t bring in deleted scenes. The canon scenes are inconsistent enough without adding in deleted scenes which were cut for reasons. There is nothing to dissect, no details to try and figure it, nothing that happens has any special meaning for the future, literally anything can happen, because the show is just completely inconsistent from one moment to the next, nothing that happens has any meaning.
I definitely agree that Eddy and Adam have no respect for their fans or their audience and have no respect for our intelligence. They seem to think we don’t understand what is going on, when the show is just so inconsistent there is just nothing to understand. That is why we can’t bring in deleted scenes. The canon scenes are inconsistent enough without adding in deleted scenes which were cut for reasons. There is nothing to dissect, no details to try and figure it, nothing that happens has any special meaning for the future, literally anything can happen, because the show is just completely inconsistent from one moment to the next, nothing that happens has any meaning.
THAT is really my whole point in why I’m angry this morning. If they had said from the get go that the deleted scenes were not canon and the only thing that IS canon is the actual aired show, then so be it. But the fact that they can change their mind based on whims, reactions, or to save face is infuriating. They get to pick and chose what is and what isn’t relevant–like the books are apparently canon (which are littered with contradictions to the actual aired show!) but item B isn’t. Okay, well why is that a rule? Oh right. I’m not supposed to question anything.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"THAT is really my whole point in why I’m angry this morning. If they had said from the get go that the deleted scenes were not canon and the only thing that IS canon is the actual aired show, then so be it. But the fact that they can change their mind based on whims, reactions, or to save face is infuriating. They get to pick and chose what is and what isn’t relevant–like the books are apparently canon (which are littered with contradictions to the actual aired show!) but item B isn’t. Okay, well why is that a rule? Oh right. I’m not supposed to question anything.
Dont forget that Adam actually said some time again on twitter that if it fits the show, the head canons from fans can be canon, which is sort of hilarious.
With all this contradictions in scripts is not surprise that actors say one thing on interviews and then the show actually shows a different thing, if we add that most of cast said that they only read their part of the script so not all the script to have one idea of the general story of the episode and some dont even see the final episode result, explains a giant PR/media/twiter mess the show has become and why the fandom acts like they do.
Well the books and comics aren’t canon either. It just doesn’t matter what Adam says about that. He isn’t even aware that they contradict the show. They just don’t care about that. The aired show contradicts itself enough.
Adam and Eddy are just about as confused about their own show as their audience….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
*sigh* It was such a nice, quiet hiatus (for me anyway). Then all that deleted scene stuff happened.
At least we got one good one with Head!Rumple remarking to the Dark Swan how painful her date with Hook was and how he never could stand Hook.
HeadRumple: That date was excruciating. Can’t stand him.
Emma: Go away.
HeadRumple: Well, I’m more like a virus than a pet, dearie.This scene is golden! It probably came from 5×3 since I think it would have followed this scene aboard Hook’s ship when Emma asks Hook if he loves her and he replies that he loved her (past tense). Hook rejected Emma when she was the dark one whereas her family accepted her and said the real Emma was still there.
I’m choosing to believe that Head!Rumple represents Emma’s own darkness and the hard truths that Emma has a difficult time admitting to herself. Namely, she realizes her attempt to soften herself by wearing that pink Sandra Dee dress for him totally failed, that even she really cannot stand him and that Emma never really could make it work with Hook because he outright rejected her when she was the dark one. Also, as Emma told Merlin (you know, before Hook murdered him): From 5×7
Emma: When I was seeing Rumplestiltskin in my head, he said he would only be with me until I embraced my dark powers. So recently, I’ve been thinking maybe not seeing him, maybe that’s a bad thing.
She only stopped seeing or hearing HeadRumple when the lure of darkness was at its strongest (i.e. when she was with Hook in the field full of pink flowers of DOOM). In other words, Hook making HeadRumple leave Emma for a time when Emma was in Camelot actually meant Emma was giving into darkness when she was with Hook. Then Merlin said Emma choosing to save Hook would be the “darkest path” he had forseen her taking.
Merlin: If I die, it means that you lost your battle and the darkness stained your soul. Everything and everyone that you know will be at the mercy of the most powerful dark one ever… Yourself. No pressure.
He said she would stain her soul if she saved Hook. She then indeed embraced the darkness when she saved him instead of getting rid of the dark one curse when she had the chance. Emma embraced the darkness to save Hook and then he thanked her by trying to send her family to hell in retribution.
All the side-eyes from me.
The deleted scene also confirms that the writers aren’t totally oblivious about how wrong Hook is for Emma. I think I understand how to intrepret text. What the text tells me is that Hook is intentionally being written as the man who is wrong for Emma. I think we’re supposed to see Hook as Emma’s Mr. Wrong, but she, like the hard-core CS fans, just doesn’t want to admit it. That’s why she was so desperate to split her heart in half and share it with Hook. That is why she repeated her father’s line “I’ll always find you” regarding Hook. Emma is looking for true love, but Hook has been revealed as Emma’s anti-true love. Hence, the failed-heart split in S5b and the anti-TLK in S3b.
The fact that so many young women (like Emma) fail to see him that way isn’t really down to the writing in the scripts; it’s just down to their own misinterpretation and attraction to Hook’s (Colin’s) good looks. I think the writers are catering to the the ardent fans of Hook for the eyeballs they bring in every week. (Though whether the writers see how many eyeballs Hook and CS drive away is another matter altogether. So A&E are oblivious in that regard). Yes, that scene was deleted, and yes the writers are terrible at PR. They have little-to-no consistency when it comes to knowing whether deleted scenes are ‘canon’ or not, but I see that more as a sign of just wanting to keep ratings up long enough to get that elusive seventh season. The writers rely on these hormone-driven worshipers of Hook, so they cater to them in a misguided attempt to keep up ratings. But, that doesn’t mean the writers are portraying Hook in a positive light. In fact, I’d say just about the only consistent thing on this show is how poorly they keep portraying Hook (which I think is their intention). I think they cut that scene with HeadRumple and Emma because it was too obvert. It revealed too much since I think HeadRumple speaks for Emma’s dark truths and for the writers.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think you are just giving these writer too much credit. They don’t know how to write. They think that the relationship between Emma and Hook is romantic because kids scream about it on the internet. I am not denying your critical analysis, i am saying that the writers aren’t thinking about any of that. The writers think they can have a character do anything, from murder to rape, and then have the characters stop doing that for five minutes and then they should be welcomed with open arms by their would be murder victims. That is literally what has happened on this show.
The writers think they are writing complexity by having characters do bad things and then not do bad things, not good things, but not bad things. They think that is some sort of deep, complex, redemption story. Regina has only this season done any work on trying to talk through some of her issues and ask forgiveness of her father and yet we are supposed to believe that she has been redeemed for three seasons.
I think it is possible that a good writer could do what you are suggesting. That they could write this complex bad boyfriend storyline. I just don’t think these writers are good. I just don’t think that is what is happening here. I think that the writers are writing this horrible relationship, where Hook, a serial killer, a rapist, someone who has said some of the worst things possible to Emma, caused her family to be in real danger, as a romance. The writers think that the characters can do or say whatever they want and as long as the other character then forgives them, they hug and kiss, that it’s fine. That is what the writers think. If Regina can be part of the family in this show then anyone can.
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