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“There’s so much for them to work through and so much that hasn’t been dealt with. There’s a tremendous amount of baggage there.” – Jennifer Morrison
“I don’t think Neal is under any kind of illusions that there isn’t work to be done between he and Emma, and that he doesn’t have a lot of work to do to get to where he wants to be, in terms of their relationship. He’s not expecting her to just be waiting around, pining.” -Michael Raymond-James
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#MoreBOOMLessGloomI love them and they’re my OTP but I also know that Rumbelle was a huge fan service–they wanted to do the story but after Skin Deep became the phenom that it did, A and E were salivating to keep Emilie around. Even Emilie admits that the Rumbelle fans are pretty much responsible for keeping her around. So, while CS doesn’t speak for everyone–obviously–they do have a pretty loud voice. Can A and E block that if SF was always their original plan?
Rumbelle is a totally different situation IMO. It’s unlikely that they had any other plans for another potential romance for Rumple. And Emilie is a friend of theirs. So when the fans demanded more Rumbelle, they could easily adapt their original ideas, and instead bring her back. I’d think that they already had that possibility in mind anyway, considering they actually had Belle locked up in SB in Skin Deep, so they’d set it up for her to potentially be around in present day if they wanted to use her more. They probably thought they’d throw out the idea of Rumbelle, and if people liked it, they’d do more with it. And it turned out people really liked it, so they did more with it.
In the CSF situation, if SF had been their original idea for endgame, they can still get there, even making a few detours along the way. Do any of us believe that an original SF endgame plan EVER involved smooth sailing and a quick, happy reunion? If they really were originally planning on having Emma get involved with August, then they were already planning a triangle-ish detour for SF anyway, they just changed the route that the detour is taking when they decided to go with Hook, (due to his popularity with fans) instead.
Two confessions today that I actually enjoyed and no joke, the second one made me laugh out loud at work today, LOL 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI saw the frying pan one and laughed much harder than I should.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In the CSF situation, if SF had been their original idea for endgame, they can still get there, even making a few detours along the way. Do any of us believe that an original SF endgame plan EVER involved smooth sailing and a quick, happy reunion? If they really were originally planning on having Emma get involved with August, then they were already planning a triangle-ish detour for SF anyway, they just changed the route that the detour is taking when they decided to go with Hook, (due to his popularity with fans) instead.
Exactly! I always expected that SF was end-game but that it would be a road with twists and turns. First, we had the curse Regina cast, then we had Tamara and Greg, then we had Neal’s “death”, the CS kiss (which Emma confirmed was just a kiss), PP’s curse, and now the WW’s curse. True love isn’t easy; it was never going to be easy for Emma. She thinks the price of her being “the Savior” means never getting a day off or her own happy ending. Yet, Snow has said time and time again Emma owes it to herself to have hope Neal could be alive and also to meet him for lunch. Charming likewise encouraged his daughter to seek out the good moments by meeting Neal for lunch.
Charming and Snow know form their own experience that happy endings are not easy, that they must be worked for, and that they start with hope. Now it’s time for Emma to discover hope for her own happy ending, which I believe will ultimately lead her back to Neal. Their love is the kind that spans decades and worlds. They’ve never stopped loving each other nor been able to fully move on from their idea of home together. Of course, there is still a lot of work to be one, but that’s actually one of the most compelling things and why Neal’s premature death would bring Emma’s character development to a screeching halt. Emma and Neal’s story is about how two people who love each other, but were separated by outside forces and difficult decisions, can come together again. I still see Hook as being an obstacle to that vision, but not a permeant one. As Phee wrote, the writers probably always intended to write a “love triangle’ with Emma in the center and one of the suitors being Henry’s dad. The introduction of Hook was a great opportunity to introduce “eye candy” to make girls’ hormones rage. Yet, Eddy Kitsis said Emma might have fun with him at Vegas, but ultimately wouldn’t consider a good father figure to Henry. Well, that is a huge indicator to me that the person who ultimately fits with Emma’s idea of family and Henry is none other than Henry’s father.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Exactly! I always expected that SF was end-game but that it would be a road with twists and turns. First, we had the curse Regina cast, then we had Tamara and Greg, then we had Neal’s “death”, the CS kiss (which Emma confirmed was just a kiss), PP’s curse, and now the WW’s curse. True love isn’t easy; it was never going to be easy for Emma. She thinks the price of her being “the Savior” means never getting a day off or her own happy ending.
I’ve always expected them to be endgame too. It’s the stupid death spoiler that’s making me nervous. There could be a lot of misdirection OR it could be very real because while Adam and Eddy love Nealfire and I think are very passionate about SwanFire and the poetry of it, I also think they realize that it didn’t translate to many because they also introduce Hook at the same time. I don’t know if they predicted how popular CS would become. And I think they *do* take it into consideration. I think they tell their own story but how much of it is now tainted by fan desires?
But, even if I’m a little negative right now, I’ll always believe that SF is true love. Death can’t stop true love. It can only delay it.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
Morph of RC and MRJ because why not.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Morph of RC and MRJ because why not. Yeah A+ for casting.
I love that they wrote Rumple with Bobby in mind and sought out MRJ for Nealfire
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Slurpeez108 wrote: Exactly! I always expected that SF was end-game but that it would be a road with twists and turns. First, we had the curse Regina cast, then we had Tamara and Greg, then we had Neal’s “death”, the CS kiss (which Emma confirmed was just a kiss), PP’s curse, and now the WW’s curse. True love isn’t easy; it was never going to be easy for Emma. She thinks the price of her being “the Savior” means never getting a day off or her own happy ending.
I’ve always expected them to be endgame too. It’s the stupid death spoiler that’s making me nervous. There could be a lot of misdirection OR it could be very real because while Adam and Eddy love Nealfire and I think are very passionate about SwanFire and the poetry of it, I also think they realize that it didn’t translate to many because they also introduce Hook at the same time. I don’t know if they predicted how popular CS would become. And I think they *do* take it into consideration. I think they tell their own story but how much of it is now tainted by fan desires? But, even if I’m a little negative right now, I’ll always believe that SF is true love. Death can’t stop true love. It can only delay it.
It would have translated a lot more of they actually allowed Neal to have a centric episode at some point instead of using him as their ‘slow burning’ character who hasn’t had nearly enough time to shine yet. *is still bitter* 🙁
I wasn’t really that surprised that the ‘bad boy’ captured fans attention quicker than Neal did because a lot of women want that ‘hot fantasy guy’ they can go crazy over when they watch TV. Neal is more like a guy that a woman might be dating who may be good for her but also has his flaws and isn’t all that exciting, and since they don’t want to see their own life on TV, they are living out their fantasies and desires in Hook. I don’t know why women go crazy over a bad boy. I actually prefer the Hook of S2 because he was more layered and villain like and you didn’t know what you were going to get with him. I don’t like this mellowed out Hook that went from REVENGE to I HEART EMMA in the span of two weeks. I want my characters to have those layers and emotions to work through which is part of the reason I love Neal so much. He does actually have a little bad boy in him (being a thief and all) but he also has a heart of gold, cares so much about other people, and carries SO much emotional baggage from years of abandonment and loneliness that I find myself caring much more about what happens to him. Emma is the same way for me. Those are the characters that deserve to find a happy ending and finally have some peace in their hearts.
I still don’t think CS is as big as it seems in the online community. They’re just more vocal. The media doesn’t help with their obsessive nature about it and quite frankly, most SF fans are too scared to say anything in OUAT articles or other websites anymore because we immediately get attacked or called stupid, hopeless, pathetic, or ridiculous. I know I don’t comment about much anymore because I got tired of being bullied by others just because I had a different opinion. I’m REALLY hopeful that Operation Tiger helps break that theory that CS is so big because SF does have a lot of fans and it would be nice to see some positive SF stuff make an impact online. 🙂
“I guess if true love was easy, we’d all have it.” -Mary Margaret, S1, ep. 1×3 ‘Snow Falls’
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