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Anyone else notice when Regina jeered that Hook is Emma’s boyfriend? And Emma got all defensive and mama Snow shut that down saying Emma’s not over Neal? And now Neal is in NL! I’m so happy! I have hope.
I did love the way Snow said, “She just lost Neal,” like, “OMG woman, you know what it feels like to lose the person you love, and you’re seriously gonna say that to Emma right now?!”
Ok I just asked around and in next weeks promo we see Emma holding a coconut and looking up at the stars and saying Home in that really soft lovely voice. Imma just point out that Nealfire was holding a coconut in the final two pics from GG over the summer. And that Emma’s poster was all about finding her way home. And that the word for Phoenix in Greek also means palm tree. From which coconuts spring
And go.
I love all of this and just wanted to add that the final time Emma saw Neal back in the day…
Neal: Tallahassee, baby. We’re almost home.
(Neal exits the car with the bag.)
Emma: Home…
I’m back home on the west coast so a bit delayed. I can’t find the tweet now, but during the last #AskGinny, someone asked her what mythical creature she would most like to see on the show and her answer was the pheonix. Coincidence?
I heart Ginny and her tweets!
I think the Rumple in him is coming out. I think in some way it’s going to help Neal understand his papa.
Interesting point, and you could well be right. Spending time in his father’s castle, finding the walking stick with the notches on it, he’s already reflecting on who his father was, and is, and now he has an understanding of the total desperation to get to his son, which is what Rumple was feeling as well. Desperate souls do desperate things.
Hearing previews I was worried about Neal using a boy but ultimately I was ok with that, because of the following:
Mulan was there to approve it and as a neutral 3rd party full of honor, she wasn’t swayed by desperation or guilt over a debt unpaid
Robin (and Roland) are brave
Roland is only 4 and the shadow has to take you willingly. With Papa right there saying no, pretty sure Roland was as far from willing as you can get.
Neal knew the shadow could be attacked and had limited intelligence (good thing too or it would have slammed into walls to dump him off!).So basically Neal was not being evil and exploiting a little kid, but Robin and Roland were being brave to help him despite the carefully controlled risks.
Agreed with all of that.
Neal learned much about Pan and the Shadow during his time in NL, so he had the wits to take the Shadow on. Having Roland’s father right there was pretty good insurance that the kid wasn’t gonna be taken easily. If Roland has to go willingly, that’s not gonna happen with Robin right there. Also, they had Mulan and her magical sword that can defend against magical beings. It was absolutely a risky situation, but they worked together and took precautions to diminish the risk as much as possible.
PS. That horsedrawn Bug is hilarious!
[adrotate group="5"]Know what would be fun? If Neal gets himself some pixiedust and that’s how he finds Emma & Co. Because as we now know, pixiedust works a treat for pinpointing the location of your soulmate.
Mulan was there to approve it and as a neutral 3rd party full of honor, she wasn’t swayed by desperation or guilt over a debt unpaid Robin (and Roland) are brave Roland is only 4 and the shadow has to take you willingly. With Papa right there saying no, pretty sure Roland was as far from willing as you can get. Neal knew the shadow could be attacked and had limited intelligence (good thing too or it would have slammed into walls to dump him off!).
Thanks for that.
Jo is right, I’ll never be able to convenience people who already hate Neal not to spew it at him. Desperate Souls and all that.
I love all of this and just wanted to add that the final time Emma saw Neal back in the day… Neal: Tallahassee, baby. We’re almost home. (Neal exits the car with the bag.) Emma: Home…
AH!
Know what would be fun? If Neal gets himself some pixiedust and that’s how he finds Emma & Co. Because as we now know, pixiedust works a treat for pinpointing the location of your soulmate.
Mmmmhm. I was thinking that too.
Or if he’s with Rumple at some point, Rumple knows how to enchant objects that have significance to find loved ones. Like Charming’s wedding ring.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"JMo interview from NYCC…
From about the 4:25 mark…
Interviewer – You have a connection between Hook and Ema, but then Neal is still out there. So what can you tease about what we’ll see?
JMo – Emma still doesn’t know that Neal is alive at the point we’re seeing in the show right now. Ummm, so nothing really changes until she knows that he’s alive and she will find out at some point that he’s not dead. But until that happens, she’s really just staying focused on trying to save Henry, and everything else just feels sort of…you know of course it’s flattering that someone is interest and whatever, but it’s not even registering with her because she’s concerned about saving her child and I guess it just heightens the dynamic of everything going on that Hook is the one that’s helping her right now, and Hook is the one that’s present, and he’s the one who’s sort of surprising her by following through with what he promises to do, and seems to be doing this selflessly instead of selfishly. So she’s definitely taken aback by how different he is to what she expected, and she still thinks that Neal is dead, but in her mind all of it’s irrelevant and she’s trying to get to Henry.
She’s gonna be thrown for such a loop when Neal shows up. I can’t wait!
There’s also some good stuff earlier in the interview about how Emma feels about her parents and forgiving them and stuff, which is also interesting from a SF forgiveness perspective.
They just need time with each other. ZOMG. Total Swanfire feels about this interview and forgiveness. The history will not be erased, and no one expect that, but Emma is totally capable of forgiveness for both Snowing and Nealfire!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"For those who love Screwball Ninja: I messaged her on Tumblr and asked her about her take on the NealfireBaitGate (all credit to Phee for that) and this is what she said:
Anonymous asked: Hi Screwball. First off, I kind of adore you. I really liked 303 this week but I was wondering what you thought of Neal’s plan to use little Roland as “bait” for the Shadow? Is this keeping with his overall character? Is he becoming a bit like Rumple–desperate souls do desperate things? Just wanna know what your take is.
And I have fond feelings towards you too, Anon!
I was actually perfectly fine with Neal’s plan for using Robin Hood’s kid as bait for the Shadow, mostly because Neal:
- Talked it out with Robin Hood and got his consent
- Agreed to sensible restrictions to the plan (the kid says the magic phrase only once)
- Had a back-up plan in the form of perpetual bad-ass Mulan
- Has experience defending other people from the Shadow (see his heroics with Wendy and the young Darlings)
Plus, though Neal was heavy on the emotional manipulation with good old Robin, when Robin initially said no, Neal’s response was to … ask again nicely. There was no coercion involved at ALL, even in something so important as Neal getting to see his love and son who are in mortal peril. If Robin Hood had flat-out refused to help, I think Neal would have just looked for another way. Rumple, on the other hand, in the same situation would have magicked young Roland away and used him as bait against his will. For all his faults, Neal is only violent in DEFENSE of people— and I love that about him.
The whole Neal/Robin discussion basically went like this:
Neal: Hey, can we use your adorable kid as bait so I can rescue my family?
Robin: I say, old chap, this plan seems rather fraught with peril, what?
Neal: But we’re cool dads! You can’t break the Cool Dad code! *bats eyelashes, pouts*
Robin: No, no, not the puppy face! Anything but that! Fine, I’ll do it.
So yes, I usually give the side-eye at child endangerment— but this incident gets a pass for parental consent and good planning. Carry on, Neal.
In the notes for that, someone pointed out that no one raised an alarm when they uses Henry to communicate with Aurora and Snow until after he had been injured. Good point. 🙂 Ok, carry on.
(also suspicious that KFC is really Screwball Ninja)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"That is a huge compliment RG, but I swear I am not! I wish I had her style and panache with the GIF’s. She is an avowed Rumbeller but she is more neutral to indifferent on CS/SF so nice to see her take.
I think how fans view Neal goes back to the “low expectations” bar for Baddies versus Goodies, combined with the weird karma in this show. That reminds me of the post that Screwball Reblogged: http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/59639330618/a-creative-spark-set-afire-acceptable-ways-to
Snow tells a secret at 12 years old and loses her father, her kingdom, and the first 28 years of her child’s life, but gets talked about by fans as if she is super-pampered and never had anything bad happen so that it is easy for her to be good. When she kills Cora, she gets a huge black spot and fans call her such a hypocrite. Then, Regina curses untold millions, kills and kidnaps children, enslaves Graham and gets a heart that pulses nice and red with her love for Henry. It ought to have looked way more black and oozey but nope. And as fans, we cheer that Regina might be on a path of redemption, because she helped fix the mess with the fail-safe, and now she points out to TB that cost of darkness.
Every small slide and fall for grace of the Goodies, we hiss and spit, but every small step of good or just not being as evil as possible, we as fans in general meet with tons of smiles and cheers.
I truly hope the writers do not “listen to the fans” in the sense of continuing to give a pass in terms of the reactions of characters to each other for past bad behavior of any characters. Neal owned his mistakes, tries to minimize the costs to others, and is pretty clearly aware that he cannot just waltz in and expect that Emma will let him back in because she said she loved him when he thought she was dying. At least, that was how I took what he was saying about wanting to try. I do want to see him be accountable for his choices, absolutely, and let it help him repair his relationship with his father too. I will however be very unimpressed with the writing if in the course of all this, Regina and Hook are suddenly hand waived into goodness, and all their past flaws forgotten. The same with Rumple.
Neal is not motivated by the urgency of confessing his feelings so much, but he knows the only reason Emma would be in NL is that Henry would be there, and that if Henry is there, that both of them would be in IMMINENT danger. I felt there was a shift in his seriousness about his quest after he saw that image of Emma in NL. It’s the danger that caused him to be more panicked about getting there as opposed to just eager. Even TinkerBelle says to Regina that it might be “too late” because Pan’s had Henry a few days. Time is totally of the essence for Neal, and while I do think that made him a bit desperate, I don’t feel it really reached a level beyond what we have seen Snow, Charming, Aurora or others who are basically still considered good do.
So I am glad it seems from spoilers that
Neal actually meets up with Rumple first, because as much as I want to see Neal win Emma, his focus too should be on Henry because really, all the love stuff can wait. I don’t want Neal to wait so long that Emma once again doubts his love….he needs to Tell Her About It (cue the Billy Joel!) , early and often. In the same patient way that Snow is approaching Emma. Emma is not going to be badgered by relentless assaults into letting her walls down.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
How I want the Swanfire reunion to go:
Rumple and Neal will come to the Storybrooke 6’s camp and Neal and Emma will run towards each other meeting in the middle and kiss passionately and Neal says “Lets go get our son back”
How the reunion will probably go:
Emma and Neal will probably do the whole whisper name thing like in Manhattan then Neal will attempt to go talk her and step forward and Emma will step back and run away and Hook will run after her and I can’t believe I’m saying this,kiss her confusing Emma even more so Snow goes to talk to her and Emma tells her she does’t know what to do and that all she wants to to think about is Henry
Y’all make me so happy when you post all these great comments. I’m anxious for Neal to find Emma again but I’m all right with waiting a bit too. I personally think their reunion will be pretty emotional, especially from Emma’s standpoint because she thought he was dead and her emotional wall is not totally up in NL, and we know Neal is desperate for his second chance and really just wants to save her and Henry from Pan right now, so I think both of them will be pretty emotional in some way when they meet up again. I agree that Neal spending time with Rumple first could be a good thing to help focus him on what’s really important at that moment (saving Henry). There’s plenty of time for love stuff after they get Henry away from Pan and I think Neal knows that all ready.
Slight tangent: After the birth scene from the first episode and the scenes from Lost Girl with Emma talking about her childhood loneliness, I can’t help feeling so heartbroken for Emma because Neal really was the one bright spot in her very sad and lonely life. He gave her hope when she had none because she grew up without hope in a tough world. I imagine they spent many times talking about families, their hopes and dreams, and we know he taught her a lot of survival stuff, and count me very curious about how Neal described his family life for Emma. It just gives me a lump in my throat to think about how hard their lives were (together and when they were apart) and yet when they were together, it was obvious how much they loved each other and how much they relied on each other to survive. They always had each others backs and never seemed to need many things in order to be happy. Emma was understandably heartbroken to have him leave her and send her to jail but now we’re seeing how heartbroken Neal still is that he hurt her so badly and how much he wants to make things right. It’s so obvious to me that these two people belong together and I just shake my head over the people who can’t see past Neal’s mistakes but see right past all the things the ‘villains’ have done and root hard for them to find their happiness. Doesn’t Neal get to find his happy ending too? It’s such a double standard and it just makes me root for SwanFire even harder because I feel like I can see a bigger picture for him and Emma. They’re each others lobsters! Sorry to use the Friends reference again but IT’S TRUE DARN IT!! LOL 😉
I just rambled a ton and I have no idea if it makes sense but I had to get it off my heart tonight. SwanFire feels have a mind of their own sometimes, LOL 😀
#MoreBOOMLessGloomJMo – Emma still doesn’t know that Neal is alive at the point we’re seeing in the show right now. Ummm, so nothing really changes until she knows that he’s alive and she will find out at some point that he’s not dead. But until that happens, she’s really just staying focused on trying to save Henry, and everything else just feels sort of…you know of course it’s flattering that someone is interest and whatever, but it’s not even registering with her because she’s concerned about saving her child and I guess it just heightens the dynamic of everything going on that Hook is the one that’s helping her right now, and Hook is the one that’s present, and he’s the one who’s sort of surprising her by following through with what he promises to do, and seems to be doing this selflessly instead of selfishly. So she’s definitely taken aback by how different he is to what she expected, and she still thinks that Neal is dead, but in her mind all of it’s irrelevant and she’s trying to get to Henry.
What an amazingly candid interview from J-Mo! Thanks for typing that up, Phee. 🙂 What I get from that interview is that 1) Neal’s arrival in NL is going to throw Emma for a loop (and in a good way I predict) and 2) Emma may be flattered by Hook’s overt flirtations, but she’s having none of it now since her goal is saving Henry. Swanfire has real hope!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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