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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 4, 2014 at 8:53 am #249820
    RumplesGirl
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    5 days

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 9:04 am #249823
    RumplesGirl
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    Someone responded to Tinkerbell’s long SF post we had up here the other night and I really liked, again, what she had to say.

    Read HERE

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 9:10 am #249825
    RumplesGirl
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    THIS post is very long but very relevant.

    (language stuff so just linkage)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 9:14 am #249826
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Some awesome GIFs to have on hand

     

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 9:42 am #249829
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    *(using this for all things)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 9:48 am #249830
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    From this article RG shared.

    It is ironic that he has that apparent title given his character was not only created as early as season 1 but to have the important roles of both someone that was the “light that still glows” in Rumplestiltskin aka the light that makes him still good and also the designated baby daddy and possibly true love of Emma Swan, our lead protagonist. It has been apparent since season 2, many people see Neal Cassidy and Baelfire as two separate people, two separate identities. As a confessor to an online confession blog wrote once, not only does it actually makes they’re the same person, but it shows a real development of a character. If Bae/Neal did not grow up and chose to do things by his own selfish desires and ruthless behaviour, he would have became another Pan. Instead he grew up and became an even more compassionate, loyal to a fault, honest, self-sacrificing, heroic, modest man. Yes, he may have had a temporary past as a thief, but it was a means to get by. For the record too, he has never taken anyone’s wife, woman, girlfriend, or what have you. He also hasn’t senselessly beaten up the opposite sex. He rarely has done anything violent in the first place. He stole food and car, essentials for living. He later made up for the car, too. He has shown maturity and strength in hard to deal with situations from finding out he is a father within a small gap of time of being reunited ex-girlfriend along with trying to save his estranged father’s life with barely any time to think. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THIS MAN HAS TRAVELLED IN HIS LIFE AND MOSTLY BY NO CHOICE OF HIS OWN? If not being popularity’s definition of cool or actually having common courtesy and respect are wrong, then it’s evident why he’s their black sheep.

    For the win! Finally, someone who says it like it is and really honestly looks at what has been written in the actual story, a true conception of a character as the writers intended him to be. A person after my own heart! 🙂

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    March 4, 2014 at 9:53 am #249832
    RumplesGirl
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    If Bae/Neal did not grow up and chose to do things by his own selfish desires and ruthless behaviour, he would have became another Pan. Instead he grew up and became an even more compassionate, loyal to a fault, honest, self-sacrificing, heroic, modest man.

    YES!!! THIS PART!!

    Nealfire could have become a Felix–loyal to Pan to a fault. Ruthless, cruel, violent, carrying a big stick. But he didn’t. He distanced himself from all that by living on his own, surviving. And then he managed to get off the Island of Doom and found himself back in our world and CHOSE to live the same way–isolated, surviving, living hand to mouth but never once did he become cruel or vengeful. He has a *good heart,* plain and simple.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 10:03 am #249835
    RumplesGirl
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    Puppy face.

    So much pain. When my dad died, this was exactly how I reacted. I was overwhelmed by the pain that I couldn’t do anything except lay down somewhere and stare at the ceiling. It wasn’t even until much later that I cried. And here all Neal is trying to do is hold on to the edges of reality before it all pulls him under.

    #Bae2Stay #SwanFireAlways #ILoveNealAnInsaneAmount

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 4, 2014 at 10:14 am #249838
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    We were talking here yesterday about TV tropes and another one stood out to me. It’s the “Underdogs Never Lose” trope.

    The team that is expected to lose the critical game In-Universe will win.

    The underdogs might be a saved Ragtag Bunch of Misfits or just average Joes in over their heads. But in the David Versus Goliath game, they will win, usually (and often literally) at the last second (always to the surprise of everyone but the viewer). This may involve Improvised Training, a Golden Snitch, or even Applied Phlebotinum if there Ain’t No Rule against it.

    In the case of a Based on a True Story film where the real-world team eventually did lose, the movie will cut away at their biggest win (or frame their loss as a victory of another kind) and Hand Wave or ignore the less successful parts of their history. Second Place Is for Losers.

    This trope is most dominant in Western media. Sports-based Japanese animation is structured around Team Spirit and effort, and writers do their best to stay true to that and let the weaker team lose. Western writers and producers also write of Team Spirit, but they tend to express it as “if you have Team Spirit, then you will beat the other team.”

    Related to The Good Guys Always Win and the Hard Work Fallacy. Invincible Incompetent is this trope as used in fiction. Can overlap with the Unspoken Plan Guarantee — both tropes happen because watching a foregone conclusion happen as expected, whether because it’s part of the plan or because the expected winner is expected to win, is boring for the audience.

    Well, Neal is certainly the biggest underdog in my estimation on the show. (Think Karate Kid, Rocky, Forrest Gump, Billy Elliot). He’s the David in the tale of how a boy slew a giant. He’s always getting knocked down by fate, losing out on the family he yearns for, sacrificing his own happiness for the greater good. Yet, through it all, he’s kept his eternal optimism and his kind heart, and he’s never given into villainy or revenge though he had every reason to do so. Right now, the expected outcome by a lot of viewers is that Hook is going to swoop in and get the girl. Yet, as the trope goes, the unexpected outcome is usually the thing that happens: at the last moment the guy whom many counted out of the running suddenly makes a mad-dash comeback. Neal is the underdog of our tale, our unexpected, last-minute champion. I see good things for him. 🙂

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    March 4, 2014 at 10:28 am #249842
    RumplesGirl
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    Yet, as the trope goes, the unexpected outcome is usually the thing that happens: at the last moment the guy whom many counted out of the running suddenly makes a mad-dash comeback. Neal is the underdog of our tale, our unexpected, last-minute champion. I see good things for him

    Agreed. The underdog always comes out on top because of hard work, determination, and staying true to who they are. They don’t resort to trickery or mind games or deceit.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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