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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 9, 2014 at 10:00 am #251209
    lunatiger
    Participant

    I was watching the special “Wicked is Coming” which was leaked early. Robert Carlyle said something which really stood out to me,

    “I think that happy endings are earned. I don’t think they’re necessarily just given to you, you know, just lying around.”

    That got me thinking that we’ve seen Rumple already starting to “earn” his happy ending (by sacrificing himself to save Rumple and Belle). I just can’t see that sacrifice being in vain, meaning Bae and Belle must live. Well, we all know that Rumple considers Neal to be his happy ending. :) Likewise, I think we’re going to see Neal and Belle team up to fight for their happy endings too, which includes fighting for their true loves and family. The other thing that struck me is that so far, Hook hasn’t done much in “earning” his idea of a happy ending….so far everything has come pretty easily to him, and by the sounds of it, by pirating ways. Could it be that just while it seems like Hook is going to be on easy street in S3b by showing up on Emma’s doorstep, it’s really Neal who is going to be doing most of the heavy lifting to earn his second chance? Hmmmmm. Too bad ABC focused so much on the CS kiss in NL and the CS forced kiss in NYC in 3×11, but I feel like this is just a marketing ploy and a distraction from the subtler, yet truer hints A&E have given us: Emma going home to NCY because of a fire. :)

     

    I agree @Slurpeez108 ~ I also watched the special and first off I was happy that MRJ and Emilie was included in the line up. It was interesting that RC said that. Both Rumple and Regina earned their redemption by sacrificing in a major way. Rumple gave up his life for EVERYONE, and his chance at a happy ending with Belle and Bae to save their lives. Regina gave up Henry to Emma so that he wouldn’t be alone to stop Pan’s curse. They’ve both GAVE UP something that was important to them to save all and not just themselves. They both GAVE UP something that they’ve being trying to fight and hold on to for so long. So far Hook’s storyline kinda paralleled Regina’s from last season. He hasn’t made the BIG sacrifice yet to earn his redemption. Regina was trying to be good for Henry, just like Hook is trying to be good for Emma. But Regina slipped back into her ways again and it wasn’t until the season 2 finale that she was willing to make the big sacrifice in potentially giving up her life and Henry. And it wasn’t until 3A that she did give up Henry completely to Emma, (something that she would not consider prior) When push comes to shove would Hook be willing to sacrifice something important to him (which in this case it’s his life and Emma) to save the day? If he was faced with impending doom, would he make the big sacrifice, whether it requires that he give up Emma or his life or both, just like Regina was willing to, to save Henry?

    I think my thoughts on CS might change if we were shown that Hook is capable of doing that. Neal was willing to, even though August lead him astray. Neal was willing to sacrifice his happiest with Emma if it meant she could find her real family and save EF. I want to see Hook make that move and acknowledge that he is a villian. Regina called herself a villian to Henry. And Rumple acknowledge he’s a villain while stabbing Pan. They’ve both to some degree admit that what they did in the past was wrong, by calling themselves that.

    And I like that A&E emphasizes that the OZ story arc to about finding HOME, something that both Emma and Neal spent all their lives looking for. I’m pretty hopeful, that this would impact their storyline together, because it’s a fact that it’s their primary goal from the very beginning of the show.

    Happy ONCE day guys!!!! WE’VE MADE IT! Give yourselves a pat on the back. Or maybe some celebratory vodka. (LOL It was a loooong hiatus)

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    March 9, 2014 at 10:19 am #251212
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I agree with everything Luna just said.

    People say that Hook gave up his revenge for Emma, but I’m not going to give you a cookie for deciding not to kill someone. That feels like false logic to me (also, I would very rapidly run out of cookies).

    It has indeed been a long hiatus and I’m so glad it’s finally over. Now we can watch the show and make our own interpretations without media bias telling us how to think and feel.

    T minus 9.5 hours, guys.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 9, 2014 at 10:42 am #251216
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Whatever happens you guys! Im with you all the way! #SwanFire shippers till the end x

    — ♡ Emma 🔮Charming ♡ (@Oncer4Life29) March 9, 2014

    *hugs her shipmates*

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 9, 2014 at 11:04 am #251218
    Josephine
    Participant

    Happy Once Day, my SwanFire brethren.  Let’s maintain composure in the face of ship baiting and crowing and keep your vessel afloat.  We’re heading into the rapids, but I hope we can navigate through the choppy waters and come out the other end of the season to the calm (and not get dashed onto the rocks along the way).  I’ve not be the most positive shipper but I promise to hold on tight, wear my life vest and not fall out of the boat.

    Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

    March 9, 2014 at 11:20 am #251220
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Happy Once Day, my SwanFire brethren. Let’s maintain composure in the face of ship baiting and crowing and keep your vessel afloat. We’re heading into the rapids, but I hope we can navigate through the choppy waters and come out the other end of the season to the calm (and not get dashed onto the rocks along the way). I’ve not be the most positive shipper but I promise to hold on tight, wear my life vest and not fall out of the boat.

    Jo gets my metaphor of the day award.

    8.5 hours.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 9, 2014 at 11:49 am #251224
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Soon

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 9, 2014 at 12:03 pm #251226
    Josephine
    Participant

    Jo gets my metaphor of the day award. 8.5 hours.

    *bows*  Thank you.  Thank you.

    …and if a monkey tries to jump on while we’re heading down water, just flick him off.  😛

     

     

    Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

    March 9, 2014 at 12:04 pm #251228
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    lunatiger wrote: think my thoughts on CS might change if we were shown that Hook is capable of doing that. Neal was willing to, even though August lead him astray. Neal was willing to sacrifice his happiest with Emma if it meant she could find her real family and save EF. I want to see Hook make that move and acknowledge that he is a villian. Regina called herself a villian to Henry. And Rumple acknowledge he’s a villain while stabbing Pan. They’ve both to some degree admit that what they did in the past was wrong, by calling themselves that.

    Technically, Hook jokingly calls himself a rapscallion, which is synonymous scalawag, rascal, and villain. However….he’s yet to seriously sacrifice anything of great value to himself for the sake of others. To give him a little bit of credit, he’s risked his life by helping Charming get to the fountain and with the shadow and what not. Yet, he wasn’t in serious danger the same way Neal was with a gunshot and being transported to another world.  I think Hook has the full potential to do the truly heroic thing, but the more he remembers what true honor looks like, the more his conscience may tell him he ought to give up Emma. The reason I say so is because it’s not honorable to vie for the woman Neal loves if Hook truly considers him to be a good friend, not to mention the fact that Hook knows deep down that Emma loves Neal. There is also the history Hook and Neal have where Hook did in fact help destroy Bae’s family as a boy and handed him over to the Lost Boys.


    @Josephine
    – I think we’re indeed in the rapids. I think this is the “year of CS” but that it’s finite. I think SF are indeed end game, but that CS was going to come first but will eventually run its course. I don’t even think it will be a full-fledged romance and that it will remain just a good friendship, with Hook feeling more for Emma than she does for him. I think by the end of S3 though, Emma will have realized with absolute clarity that her idea of home has always been with Neal.  There are too many clues to dismiss as coincidences: the way Emma said ‘home’ in 3×4 was exactly the way she did in 2×6, the fact that “Going Home” took Emma to NYC because of a fire (Baelfire‘s home city), the fact that she woke up to Neal’s song “Charley’s Girl” at 8:15 (which is a number heavily associated with Neal, Emma and Henry). Eddy and Adam are fantastic at misleading the general audience whilst planting little clues about the ultimate direction this story is going. Remember all the little clues that they put in about the identity of Henry’s father: Emma said in 1×9 he was a fireman, Neal was first seen in Broken by a fire-escape, August said in 2×6 that Neal got caught in the crossfire, and then, low and behold, Neal turned out to be Baelfire. So, the fact that Emma, even when cursed, then ended up in the home city of Neal just convinces me all the more that Emma’s revelation about Neal being her home, her destination, is going to be revelatory, beautiful, and everything SwanFire enthusiasts have been dreaming of and more.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    March 9, 2014 at 12:08 pm #251230
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    So, the fact that Emma, even when cursed, when end up in the home city of Neal just convinces me all the more that Emma’s revelation about Neal being her home, her destination is going to be revelatory, beautiful, and everything SwanFire enthusiasts have been dreaming of and more.

    Subconsciously Emma does things that show who she really is–get a flower tattoo of Charming’s family crest, for example. She has no idea *why* she does these things, but she does them nonetheless.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 9, 2014 at 12:18 pm #251236
    Josephine
    Participant

    Oh, I need to see that necklace again!  Neal clutching it in FTL.  I will fangasm completely. 😛

    Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

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