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April 1, 2014 at 11:15 am #257990
CrownedWithLaurels
ParticipantI already need a #twizzle chat session and it’s only 11:15am! Gonna be a long day…
I keep looking toward Thursday and WL… I need WL like I’ve never needed it before…[adrotate group="5"]Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
April 1, 2014 at 11:22 am #257994RumplesGirl
KeymasterI already need a #twizzle chat session and it’s only 11:15am! Gonna be a long day…
I keep looking toward Thursday and WL… I need WL like I’ve never needed it before…If WL ends poorly or with the death of hope….then there is nothing to save OUAT.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 1, 2014 at 11:26 am #257997RumplesGirl
KeymasterFound this post from a TVLine article. Well worth the read
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 1, 2014 at 11:36 am #257999Phee
ParticipantI just really makes me angry that he’s died so many times. Come ON. I get it if they were setting up for something larger like that. It’s like every time he dies the walls come down a little bit. Like it’s what she needs to snap out of the rut. *frustrated with Emma*
Yes, it would actually be fitting if that’s the endgame they’re working towards, where little by little, Emma comes to realise as each loss of him affects her, just how much she wants and needs to have the courage to be with him.
She lost him back in the day, she didn’t know if he was dead or alive, but deep down she never stopped loving him.
Then she got him back in truly bizarre circumstances, and everything was totally awkward.
Then she lost him again over the portal, and that was enough to get her to confess that she loves and needs him.
Then she got him back again in NL, and had now progressed to just wishing the emotional turmoil would stop because she loves him but it’s too hard losing him and it’d be easier without him around.
Then she lost him again, but she didn’t remember 5 seconds after it happened.
Then she got him back again, only to have him die within, like, an hour or so of them reuniting, and this time she was grief stricken, purely because she loves him, and their son, and wanted them all to remain together.
Emma has had a little bit of progress each time one of these separations and coming back together have happened, (and seriously, constantly tearing a couple apart is the CLASSIC way to deal with an endgame couple, it’s fricking TV show writing 101). If they did end up together in the end, their story will have actually built up in a believable way, and it would eventually be a beautiful thing and the strength of their bond would make them inseparable.
So if that’s what A&E mean when they say in interviews that his death was, like, the best thing ever for his character, then great. If they’re just trolling the fandom in the most epic way with all their comments about the death right now, then I’d be pissed to have been put through it, but at least it will have been worth it. It would actually be a fabulous act of troll-dom if they released the spoiler so early because they knew this was happening to Neal early on, and they wanted to lull the rest of the fandom into a false sense of security, and then come the finale BAM, nope, Neal’s not the permanent death, someone else is. It would be cruel, but it would be effective, and we did all think it very odd that they officially released such a massive spoiler when they did, considering they’re usually all about NO spoilers.
April 1, 2014 at 11:36 am #258000heatherc1275
ParticipantI JUST finished reading that post on Tumblr a little while ago and I think I even reblogged it. It’s an EXCELLENT post and I’m thankful for all these people who have put my feelings about this whole thing into words so much better than I ever could. I really do think A&E don’t rewatch their own show after it airs. They don’t seem to remember half the stuff that happened in S2 and that wasn’t all that long ago. Fans can remember facts and actual CANON stuff that happened better than them and that’s pretty sad. If you’re not going to refer back to any of it later, why set things up early and then just drop them by the wayside?! 🙁
That confession you posted is the main reason I don’t want to change my avatar. I love Emma’s big goofy smile that she only ever had with Neal and I want to remember her that way.

#MoreBOOMLessGloomApril 1, 2014 at 11:38 am #258001CrownedWithLaurels
Participantyeah. that post made me rage. Something went wrong, I don’t care what they say. There was only ONE person on this show that has gotten almost everything he’s ever wanted in life and needed to be a hero, and wanted to be a hero soo so so bad…. ONE PERSON this story line would have made sense with. Sorry. Not saying I wanted Hook to die, but a hero death storyline only made sense with HIM. THAT’S IT.
Maybe ABC strong-armed them into it, idk, but making someone a regular when you’re planning to kill him off. No way.
I read somewhere earlier that Adam recently said they actually didn’t plan the death UNTIL they were planning 3B. Not 3A. That makes much more sense, since you know… it makes NO SENSE AT ALL. At least it makes no sense for a reason.Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
April 1, 2014 at 11:42 am #258003RumplesGirl
KeymasterThe death was so incredibly rushed and early on in the season, with no build up from previous episodes (something Schmacky was saying before s/he took down their blog) that I find *super* hard to believe they knew this was coming with the start of S3A.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 1, 2014 at 11:50 am #258004Anonymous
InactiveA little bit of logic to this would have made so much of difference I may not have liked it but a reason that’s all I think we need just something some justification
April 1, 2014 at 11:55 am #258006RumplesGirl
KeymasterA little bit of logic to this would have made so much of difference I may not have liked it but a reason that’s all I think we need just something some justification
I agree. If his death had been presented differently–I wouldn’t be this angry. If he had saved Henry from Zelena for example; or saved Snow or Regina or Emma or ANYONE from Zelena, it would have been a better fitting tribute. He constantly sacrificed himself for others, so throwing himself into harms way for his son or his True Love makes more sense than this character assassination.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 1, 2014 at 11:55 am #258007Phee
ParticipantThey had to pitch the entire season before shooting for 3A started though. The writers constantly meet through the season, but all the major stuff gets plotted out in their writers’ camp pre-season, and a massive thing like killing a character, that can’t be something you just make up on the fly. We may have had a long hiatus, but they haven’t had a big break in writing between the half seasons in order to brain(fart)storm this sort of thing.
Meanwhile, something that WOULD be planned out pre-season, because it’s just a blatant parallel to something from the previous season…


Seriously, how is that just mere coincidence? It even looks like those last 2 gifs were SHOT IN THE SAME PLACE. And then they brought Philora back, and will be bringing them back one more time as well.
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