Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[RumplesGirl]

We now return you to your regularly scheduled SFing

[lecygne]

I was doing a bit of research to try and explain perhaps why attractive actors seem to get all the fan adoration while so-called “average Joes” seem to get less love. I think it can be explained by a cognitive bias known as the Halo Effect. Essentially, attractive people are considered by many to be more intelligent and kind than non-attractive people. It’s sad but true.

Well, like all of us at least, I don’t see MRJ as average joe. He’s adorable, but not “swashbuckling” I guess. I wonder sometimes about the ages of the meanest segments of the fanbase. I can’t help but see these as crazy teenagers who perhaps behave this way at school. I have a very hard time thinking these are the coveted 18-49 demographic. I guess some adults are this crazy, but it smacks of 13-14 y/os to me, and considering the 7/8PM time slot and “family friendly” aspect of the show, maybe it is. Just a theory.

[CrownedWithLaurels]

I feel like this comment includes me in a round-about-way since I used those “real World arguments” when I started this thread – https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/is-this-show-still-about-hope-post-neals-death/  

Grimm, I have been seeing people say that since minutes after the show. Everywhere. On twitter, here. In comments on facebook and articles. It’s the argument in general that RG (and really, a LOT of us) was/were addressing. I didn’t even know you were saying it and I’ve been talking about the argument in general too. It’s just one of those things.

Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

[Grimmsister]

RG@

“Being shocked that we’re sad or angry or upset is just another way of saying, “man. You guys don’t GET how much sense this makes!!””

No that it is not. For me its just a couriosity as to how and why people can feel so different about it. And it is not that it is Neal that you are sad about that surprised me. Because as I wrote I dont imagine myself being sad to that extent about Regina (My fave character) should her character die. I even wrote a fanfic in which she sort of died- that actually did make me very sad.. lol.

I think it is that…. and I am afraid to write this 🙂 …but that people can feel like this about a character on a tv show. Yes you loved that character and the show strikes a Deep cord in you somehow… but that just surprises me… since I dont feel the same… that is still not me saying you are wrong and I am right- Its just me saying we are different.

“I have no idea who has said it. But it has been said generally. By many. I do not single out people. And I am not so unbelievably passive aggressive that I would come here and talk about a member of this forum behind their back.”

Okay Im glad. But I did say it. And would never mind discussing it with someone who disagree.

[thebassgal]

I don’t find MRJ average-looking either.  In fact, he’s right up there at the top of my list, but I like the broody, shy, nerdy guys.  MRJ, Ian Somerhalder, Norman Reedus… yes, I have a  type.

That aside, I just feel like Rumple died for nothing.  He died to save his son and his son died bringing him back.  Plot device.  They had to kill Rumple to get rid of Pan, so they killed off the perceived “least” liked character, but Neal wasn’t disliked as a whole.  Well, perhaps the character of Neal was disliked because of the crappy way they wrote him.  They left holes in him the size of Montana.  He deserved back story about how he came to be Neal and what he was doing for those 10 years. But Baelfire… one of the most beloved characters in the show and one of the main reasons for the show, the reason for the curse and the driving force behind Rumple.

[Grimmsister]

Jaxer@

“share similar thoughts without having to invest energy into explaining to those who don’t understand or are taken aback about why they feel what they do. Different strokes for different folks and all that.”

yeah sure I understand that. Its just me that likes disgussing Things with people when they feel different then me. But if you all dont want that on this thread I wont post those thoughts here then.

Again just because I asked why you feel that way. Dont mean I think you are wrong.

[CrownedWithLaurels]

Grimm…Once again, it’s not all about Neal. It’s about the show. We would have preferred it if Neal stayed dead in 221. That was a beautiful ending for many of us. It’s really not just his death we are mourning. Really. It’s the character assassination and the complete about-face of the message of the show. Watching season 1-2 would not have been difficult had he stayed dead in 221. An honorable, meaningful death. But this senselessness and seemingly retconned-throw away all that we’ve established-episode just makes it difficult to even watch what has already happened. It’s not just about mourning Neal. We’ve done that before. It’s about this show that made us all feel alive, feel hope, feel wonder… the excitement is gone since they did away so poorly with stuff they’ve already established.

Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

[lecygne]

I think this pretty much is one reason why I’m assuming most SW/SF shippers are choosing to post here. Their rightfully hurting and instead of clogging up the boards with several threads about how this doesn’t make a lick of sense they are opting to discuss a character they loved with those who share similar thoughts without having to invest energy into explaining to those who don’t understand or are taken aback about why they feel what they do. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

I’m confused why is anyone else even posting here unless to offer condolences or agree with SFers about whatever it is you agree with? There are other threads to talk about the actual episode, and that is where differing opinions should be discussed. It is obvious from the last 40 pages or so that this has become a haven/mourning ground for SFers. Expressing your confusion as to why people grieve the way they do or to try to argue with the POV of those using this thread for grieving here seems out of place at this point in time.

Just my $.02.

EDIT: As many posters have said repeatedly, they are trying to AVOID differing opinions. Otherwise we’d be out on Twitter, tumblr, general chat, 3×15 page, etc. The “justifications” are very painful at this point and, IMHO, should be argued in the episode thread. Especially when the mood in this thread is very clear.

[RumplesGirl]

For me its just a couriosity as to how and why people can feel so different about it.

Everything Phee said in response to your thread, I agree with. As do most people here. I have nothing more to add

We’re upset at the way he died. We feel it was character assassination and OOC.

If Regina died in a way that you felt was undignified and unappealing and went against everything they had told you and showed you about her, maybe you’d feel the way we do.

But she hasn’t so you won’t.

There’s no point in arguing this. You’re not going to convince us. We’re not going to convince you.

Let us mourn how we feel we should.

Okay Im glad. But I did say it. And would never mind discussing it with someone who disagree.

People have disagreed and responded to you. I don’t understand why it’s suddenly paramount that I partake. I don’t want to. It’s is quite literally as simple as that.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thebassgal]

Grimm…Once again, it’s not all about Neal. It’s about the show. We would have preferred it if Neal stayed dead in 221. That was a beautiful ending for many of us. It’s really not just his death we are mourning. Really. It’s the character assassination and the complete about-face of the message of the show. Watching season 1-2 would not have been difficult had he stayed dead in 221. An honorable, meaningful death. But this senselessness and seemingly retconned-throw away all that we’ve established-episode just makes it difficult to even watch what has already happened. It’s not just about mourning Neal. We’ve done that before. It’s about this show that made us all feel alive, feel hope, feel wonder… the excitement is gone since they did away so poorly with stuff they’ve already established.

This.  If they were going to kill him, it should have been 2-21.  An honorable death caused by factors out of his control to save his son and it would have been the catalyst to push Rumple to murder Pan a hell of a lot faster.   And it would have been a justifiable , redemptive end to Baelfire.

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