April 20, 2015 at 2:33 am #302142Reginastwin3Participant
A lot of people have wondered how Emma will go dark, or the justification. She killed Cruella but did it to save her son, and I know some including me are wondering how that is different from Snow killing Cora? I think that her killing Cruella was just a push, but her continued anger with her parents is the main driving force, (as Gold said someone who is seeking vengeance is easy to manipulate, Snow never sought out vengeance, but Emma may?)
Basically to sum it up with this quote I found online…
“I think the reason she’ll become dark might probably have to do with the anger she is currently letting consume her. She just killed someone for whatever reason, good or bad, and she’s enraged and angry and without getting it under control she’s potentially risking letting it largely take over her.”
I am a nerd at heart.April 20, 2015 at 12:28 pm #302179SlurpeezParticipant
Emma killing Cruella doesn’t (and shouldn’t) count as a dark deed. If anything, what Emma did was actually a heroic deed: she acted to save a child (her child). I don’t see what Emma did as a crime, at all. She is a sheriff, whose duty it is it to protect the people of SB. She was upholding her responsibility, and sadly, sometimes the police have to use force when necessary. Emma had no way of knowing in advance that Cruella had been magically rendered incapable of killing anyone again. I really dislike the way the writers are trying to make Emma’s decision to act in defense of her own son tantamount to murder, because it’s not. A police-woman who acts to save a hostage by killing the would-be murderer (in this case Cruella), is not a villain, but a hero!
Emma harboring anger at her parents is understandable, but her only directing it at them while completely forgiving Regina for ruining her childhood is just plain wrong. Emma is misdirecting her hatred at her parents while showing compassion on villains who’ve never even apologized to her. What Snow and Charming did to baby Lily was plain wrong, but let’s not forget that Regina ordered her guards to kill Emma as a baby. Yes, Emma is mad at her parents, who’re praised as heroes. But their hypocrisy is not worse than mass murder in my eyes. I think Emma needs to reevaluate her moral standards of what is forgivable versus unforgivable. Emma trusts Regina, the woman who robbed Emma of her childhood and chance to be raised by her loving parents, but doesn’t trust her own parents, who love her and tried to protect her. That makes no sense to me whatsoever and seems like misplaced anger.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyApril 20, 2015 at 2:33 pm #302212CorbinParticipant
I’ll use what I said in another thread, as it applies here (and, coincidentally, uses your example):
If we’re talking about, “Does this make Emma dark?”, I thought it was justified. She was defending the life of her son – the person in her life who she has unconditional love for.
Let’s compare this to Snow in S2. She killed Cora because, besides the fact that Cora wanted to kill them, Snow wanted to get revenge for everything Cora’s done. That’s wrong.
Emma, on the other end, killed Cruella because she was under the perfectly reasonable idea that Cruella was going to kill Henry. If she had known prior that Cruella wouldn’t kill him then still did it, I would say that that’s wrong. But, since she was defending her son (who, after almost two years worth of every single villain on this show including his adoptive mother trying to kill him, still hasn’t learned any survival skills), I believe that she was completely justified and should not and does not deserve to go dark.
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!April 20, 2015 at 2:42 pm #302215MatthewPaulModerator
I think it’s not just that Emma killed Cruella that’s going to start Emma’s path towards darkness, but the fact that she did so in rage. It felt like she let her anger get the best of her, similar to what we saw in the episode “The Snow Queen.” Some have brought up that Emma could have used her magic in other ways rather than resorting to killing Cruella, which is a valid point. Emma couldn’t just try poofing Henry out of Cruella’s clutches, or at the very least use her magic to disarm her? Yes she was still saving Henry, but she took the most extreme route to do so.April 20, 2015 at 2:49 pm #302219SweetsParticipant
Yes she was still saving Henry, but she took the most extreme route to do so.
Part of me feels like Emma wouldn’t have gone to such lengths if she wasn’t pushing back on the idea that her parent’s actions made her good. Emma has always been incredibly self-sufficient, to a fault. So the idea introduced by Snow earlier in the day that The Charmings are responsible for her morality would have chaffed.
It almost seemed to me like a ‘I will show you I’m not the perfect savior.” And add on that Emma used light magic to kill Cruella would add to the darkness of the deed.April 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm #302220GaultheriaParticipant
Emma is going to continue making decisions now even though her state of mind is completely messed up from killing Cruella. “Going dark” isn’t cosmic punishment; Emma did the right thing. But she still has to deal with the ongoing crisis in town, and because she has a conscience, that killing and all the subsequent doubts and second-guessing has put her in no fit state to deal with the crisis. She’s stressed; she’ll snap.
Gaultheria's fanvids: http://youtube.com/sagethrasherApril 20, 2015 at 4:19 pm #302239PriceofMagicParticipant
Emma didn’t kill Cruella, Gravity did.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixApril 22, 2015 at 4:25 pm #302392Daniel J. LewisKeymaster
However it works, there was a subtle detail that tells me Emma is either now on the dark side, or on that path—crows.
The crow sounds have often been placed behind scenes with Regina when she was still evil. In the last couple seconds of this episode, there are crow sounds along with Emma’s “I’m so totally on the dark side, yo” look.April 24, 2015 at 12:04 am #302499AidenXJeffreyParticipant
Ok, so everyone is agreeing that Emma going dark is essentially fueled by her angry/bitterness/unforgiveness toward her parents for what they did to Maleficent and Lily, and I also agree that she is acting like a petulant child, but I think we also have to look at it from this perspective-Emma grew up not knowing who she was or where she came from and then her son whom she gave up at 18 came to find her and bring her to Storybrooke to break a curse and bring back all of the Happy Endings because she was the savior of their land or world. Her identity has been anchored in her parents, Prince Charming and Snow White, who are valiant heroes of their world and protectors of their Kingdom and they became her saving grace and she put so much faith in them even when they were living as their cursed selves and the fact that they are who they are has shaped her identity and how she currently sees herself and for this to come up has shaken everything that she thought was true and good in her eyes, and though they made a mistake and they were and are obviously remorseful of cursing Lily, I don’t think it’s enough for Emma to go dark because they are still who they say they are, they were just living in fear and allowed that fear to drive who they were instead of being anchored in who they are, the valiant heroes. Also, because of this, Emma has had her identity so defined by who she came from that now she’s so shaken and has forgotten who she is, which is why this darkness is taken over. I think it has to do more with how she sees herself than how she sees her parents at this point because there’s no justifiable explanation for her to continue to treat them they way she is when she knows who they are. I think the fact that they did curse Lily and they are who they say they are has shaken her and makes her look at herself as, “If they did that to an innocent life, regardless on how they could turn out, what more could I do since I came from them and I DO have this power and I AM the offspring of the greatest heroes from our world. I’m sure this was a lot, but I think her tailspin has A LOT more to do with how she sees herself rather than how she sees Charming and Snow.
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