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I did the same thing too RG re: Lost (and I watched all of that in 2 weeks!)
It’s the problem with the internet days. We say hmm, I’ve seen that person before *goes to IMDB* and by the time you’re partway through you know who everybody is. Oh to be in blissful ignorance and yet all knowing all at the same time…
It’s like when people say they wish they could read their favorite book or watch their favorite movie / show for the first time again to get that feeling back of not knowing how it’s going to happen, only it adds an extra level to it of wanting to know who’s who but sometimes wishing you didn’t so it wouldn’t spoil stuff.
It’s DEFINITELY interesting who was left off of this one but I am glad to see the dwarfs included! (Bring on Grumpy and snide comments about pirates. I’m begging you writers, it’s too good NOT to use!) (And yes I still feel stupid saying dwarfs but it was dwarfs in Snow White and dwarves everything post-Tolkien so I go with it lol).
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Demileto wrote:
Also worth of note is that the actors that play Philip, Aurora and Mulan are not listed as guests.
😯 😯 😯 😯 😯
How did I miss that?!?!?!
Excellent *tons of cookies for you*
That gives me hope that we might see RH again for proof of Tamara’s parentage.
Yes, Tamara must totally be connected to Robin Hood and Maid Marian. She needs to have a compelling backstory.
Also, I have a feeling Freya Tingley could show up again as adult Wendy (it’s been hinted we’d see her again in the present day). Freya is 19, so they could dress her up to look older (mid 20s) instead of young Wendy (age 13). If the theory is correct that the Home Office was founded by Wendy Darling, we might just see her again in the finale. 😮
I’m not on the Wendy founding the Home Office band wagon yet. I know it has a lot of merit but there is something so religiously cult like about how Tamara has been describing magic. She’s used too many words such as unholy, faith, belief, sacred, sacredness, etc. Those words haven’t been thrown out there idly. There’s a reason for them.
However, let’s say that she is the founder. That might explain possibly seeing her again, as an adult, explaining her mission to rid the world of magic to her daughter, who would be played by Laine MacNeil and passing on the torch. Yet, knowing how Wendy felt about Bae, I can’t see Tamara behaving the way she did towards him. She would have known that Bae saved her great uncles and was a real hero to the Darling family.
Another possibility is that we see Bae eventually returning for Wendy, but Wendy is now a grown woman with a child of her own, Jane (played by Laine MacNeil). That would follow J.M. Barrie’s screenplay and stay canon with Pan’s visit to all the Darling women, starting back with Mrs. Darling, prior to Wendy.
I like the latter possibility because I do believe Bae will end up as PP, regardless of all the interviews pointing to the contrary. Too coincidental that Wendy made a point of saying how the shadow first showed up when Bae did; how both the shadow and Bae entered the Darling’s home via a window; how Bae first shows up in Kensington Gardens where in J.M. Barrie’s book, The Little White Bird (also known as Adventures in Kensington Gardens), we first meet Peter Pan. That is also why a statue is there in his honour.
Now we have the Lost Boys desperately searching for Bae (at the shadow’s request?). Why does the shadow want Bae so badly? I love Phee/RG/Slurpeez theories about capturing the shadow but perhaps it is Bae’s shadow after all. Maybe Bae and his shadow did become disconnected in the vortex or in Kensington Gardens, during his first 6 months in London.
Too many similarities between Bae and the shadow. 🙂
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You know, I never considered Jane for Lanie. Ever since we learned Freya would be Wendy, it’s been a debate over if Lanie would be Ariel or Tink, but I never thought of Jane. Hmm. If Wendy was the founder of the Home Office (and I am very on board with this idea) she would need to pass it off to someone eventually and her child makes the most sense. Gosh, it could continue down the line to Dorothy even, if at some point the Darlings crossed the ocean and settled in Kansas.
And I agree about Bae and PP. A lot of people took last night as evidence that Bae was never PP, but I really think there were too many coincidences for there not to be a lot more to this story. My current theory is that the Shadow is Pan but Bae will become a reverse Peter who takes all the Lost Boys home."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"While it’s not canon, there are several stories (the movie Hook as an example) where Peter Pan does take the lost boys home or where he in fact, also leaves. So that theory wouldn’t be contrary to Peter Pan. 🙂
Now, regarding Tamara being related to Wendy, any explanation as to why she would use Bae the way she did and harm him the way she did? I just can’t get past that. Wendy would have made him out to be a hero, her family’s saviour. So Tamara’s behaviour just doesn’t fall in line with that. Any thoughts?
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I’m still of the opinion that Tamara is related to RH and Marian, not Wendy. I think Tamara was recruited into the Home Office just like Owen was after Tamara lost her mother Marian to a magical disease because no one hates magic that much without having been affected by it. In last night’s episode, Tamara even called magic poison which I thought might be a hint to the affliction Marian had. If the affliction came back in our world and killed Marian, that might give Tamara sufficient cause to join the Home Office, which is still being run by a member of the Darling family (maybe Dorothy if she’s connected).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"TheGoldenKey – I love the idea that she is Jane! When I realized the girl playing Wendy was 19 I agree that we’ll see her aged up a bit and it would make sense that by the time Bae comes back (it may take him awhile to save the Lost Boys and learn to travel back and forth, befriend Tink etc etc, who knows) that she would be older and have a daughter of her own.
I don’t want Tamara to be related to anybody! OK, OK, she probably has to be and it’s looking likely that it’s Robin Hood & Marian but I’m having a hard time believing somebody so awesome has such a rotten kid! (Also who is that woman in the picture with Tamara?)
I’m on the fence about Wendy starting the home office – it does connect especially since this was the first episode we saw her in and she might be jaded about magic after seeing the shadow pan reject her and try to take her brothers, eventually taking Bae away from her but then again if he manages to come back then why would she be so bitter about magic? Although at that point I guess it could be that he’s still so young and she’s had to grow up without him, but then I would think she’d be jealous of Jane getting to know him then and he apparently broke ties with the Darling family at some point (perhaps after seeing that Wendy grew up) because he was off on his own and pursuing Emma after that so no more Wendy (or Wendy’s daughter, granddaughter etc etc).
I always loved Bae with Morraine and now with Wendy so I kinda wish he somehow had stayed there for a bit longer / had some connection to her in some way. At one point I wondered if maybe he was drawn to Wendy because she reminded him of Morraine and was possibly a descendant of hers but he didn’t exactly get a lot of time to explore that angle either so it’s probably nothing even though we saw her and she was named twice / was a close friend of his.
The Home Office certainly sounds very snobby against magic and has recruited various people along the way but it does come across as very cult like so I hope the Darlings weren’t involved at all and that Bae sacrificing himself for them didn’t change them toooo much to where they’d be willing to kill a whole town of innocent people just to get rid of magic (at least Henry only wanted to blow up a well! The kid seems sane now somehow lol).
I’m not giving up on the NealFire Pan theory yet though I wish he’d gotten more time with Wendy / her daughter etc etc if he is in fact Peter Pan. It feels disjointed somehow in that he lost track of all of them, and meanwhile this Home Office is running around being the Anti-Magic Police Squad.
Bae doesn’t like magic for obvious reasons but he would never condone what they’re trying to do now and neither would Henry. If the Home Office was created by characters we know and love, I hope there’s a plausible explanation as to why they went so dark and are now willing to do horrible things. If it’s been around since the time of the Darling children then it may have trickled down through the generations and gotten really ugly in the last 100 years, not to mention new recruits who are clearly psychotic, but whoever is in charge and giving the orders not only recruited the psychopaths but is giving them the order to move up the plan to use the failsafe and destroy SB so somebody high up is a little nuts too…
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I’m still of the opinion that Tamara is related to RH and Marian, not Wendy. I think Tamara was recruited into the Home Office just like Owen was after Tamara lost her mother Marian to a magical disease because no one hates magic that much without having been affected by it. In last night’s episode, Tamara even called magic poison which I thought might be a hint to the affliction Marian had. If the affliction came back in our world and killed Marian, that might give Tamara sufficient cause to join the Home Office, which is still being run by a member of the Darling family (maybe Dorothy if she’s connected).
Maybe, but I still can’t see the connection between RH and Marian either. Magic did save Marian so I don’t know why they’d be against it. Yes, they did have a child, but I think that was to show Belle the softer side of Rumple (because we all know he has a soft spot for children) and it just helped explained why she fell for him. It also tied in how Rumple got the bow to give to Snow. So, while it’s an interesting concept, I’m still of the mind that Tamara’s grandmother will be someone other than Marian or Wendy. 😀
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
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TheGoldenKey – I love the idea that she is Jane! When I realized the girl playing Wendy was 19 I agree that we’ll see her aged up a bit and it would make sense that by the time Bae comes back (it may take him awhile to save the Lost Boys and learn to travel back and forth, befriend Tink etc etc, who knows) that she would be older and have a daughter of her own.
I don’t want Tamara to be related to anybody! OK, OK, she probably has to be and it’s looking likely that it’s Robin Hood & Marian but I’m having a hard time believing somebody so awesome has such a rotten kid! (Also who is that woman in the picture with Tamara?)
I’m on the fence about Wendy starting the home office – it does connect especially since this was the first episode we saw her in and she might be jaded about magic after seeing the shadow pan reject her and try to take her brothers, eventually taking Bae away from her but then again if he manages to come back then why would she be so bitter about magic? Although at that point I guess it could be that he’s still so young and she’s had to grow up without him, but then I would think she’d be jealous of Jane getting to know him then and he apparently broke ties with the Darling family at some point (perhaps after seeing that Wendy grew up) because he was off on his own and pursuing Emma after that so no more Wendy (or Wendy’s daughter, granddaughter etc etc).
I always loved Bae with Morraine and now with Wendy so I kinda wish he somehow had stayed there for a bit longer / had some connection to her in some way. At one point I wondered if maybe he was drawn to Wendy because she reminded him of Morraine and was possibly a descendant of hers but he didn’t exactly get a lot of time to explore that angle either so it’s probably nothing even though we saw her and she was named twice / was a close friend of his.
The Home Office certainly sounds very snobby against magic and has recruited various people along the way but it does come across as very cult like so I hope the Darlings weren’t involved at all and that Bae sacrificing himself for them didn’t change them toooo much to where they’d be willing to kill a whole town of innocent people just to get rid of magic (at least Henry only wanted to blow up a well! The kid seems sane now somehow lol).
I’m not giving up on the NealFire Pan theory yet though I wish he’d gotten more time with Wendy / her daughter etc etc if he is in fact Peter Pan. It feels disjointed somehow in that he lost track of all of them, and meanwhile this Home Office is running around being the Anti-Magic Police Squad.
Bae doesn’t like magic for obvious reasons but he would never condone what they’re trying to do now and neither would Henry. If the Home Office was created by characters we know and love, I hope there’s a plausible explanation as to why they went so dark and are now willing to do horrible things. If it’s been around since the time of the Darling children then it may have trickled down through the generations and gotten really ugly in the last 100 years, not to mention new recruits who are clearly psychotic, but whoever is in charge and giving the orders not only recruited the psychopaths but is giving them the order to move up the plan to use the failsafe and destroy SB so somebody high up is a little nuts too…
Really great points Kat! We are thinking along similar lines here. 😀 You mentioned Tink in your post and it got me thinking. What if Laine ended up playing Tink? She’s cute as a button and has those huge beautiful eyes! If they closed off the season with an appearance by Tinkerbell, wouldn’t that be a HUGE and wonderful surprise! All the more reason to keep her identity hidden. Was there ever a casting call for her? Again, been off the boards for a while and missed a lot of stuff. Gosh, just so many possibilities. 😀
They really do have some explaining to do regarding how dark it’s gotten with Greg/Tamara and the Home Office. I could sympathize with them, earlier on. I mean, if magic destroyed your family or loved ones, you’d be bitter too. I love Ethan Embry but he is really beginning to creep me out with this character and not in a good “loving a villain” way either. 😈
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I completely agree TheGoldenKey! So many awesome possibilities and I could see her being Jane or Tink (Tink would definitely be awesome to see!)
I always felt so bad for Tink in “Hook” – she spent forever loving Peter knowing that he would always gravitate back to Wendy (and her granddaughter, whom he married in that version).
Tink has one of my favorite lines ever in “Hook” – “You know that place between sleep and awake, the place where you still remember dreaming? That’s where I’ll always love you, Peter. That’s where I’ll be waiting.”
I hope if we see Tink that she’s awesome. There are so many possible ways to approach that character!
The Home Office has gotten rather dark hasn’t it? I get them being upset but it better be something huge that set off the people who are running things if they’re OKing all this stuff & giving the orders!
I sympathized with Owen but when he turned into Greg he did get rather creepy didn’t he?! I like Ethan Embry too but he does kinda weird me out as Greg a little. Kinda glad we’re not supposed to like him very much. At least the other villains are compelling. I’m ready for GOAT to get out already.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
GOAT are shown as ruthless yes, but I’m not sure they are crazy/evil either. They aren’t hurting innocents because they are angry or enjoy seeing others miserable, but because they want to contain the damage they believe magic inevitably causes. As the audience, we think that’s not a fair assessment, that magic itself isn’t to blame, just the people making bad choices with how they use it. Unfortunately, Regina is the example Greg has to go on so he isn’t going to have second thoughts.
I’m less sure it is connected to “survivors of curse abductees” like Igor now too because of GOAT saying Magic had tried to invade before. So it sounds like a world without magic grown movement. But….What if the H.O. is actually from another world, one that used science to get to the Land without Magic, more advanced technology than our world has–and GOAT are not taking Henry to Neverland—but somewhere else. Why do we assume they are going to NL just because they are using a bean?.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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