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[RumplesGirl]

GOAT thinks they are serving a higher purpose, they honestly think what the Home Office asks them to do is the right and noble thing. So like so many villains on this show, I don’t think we can just flat out call evil or crazy. (Just give me Tamara’s story already!)

[MysteryKat25]

Very good questions KFChimera and great point about the characters perception versus ours. After all, a villain doesn’t think of himself as the villain, but the hero wrongfully accused.

It makes sense if they consider magic a plague and want it contained though I still have trouble understanding how they are ok with taking out all the other non-magical people in the town without a 2nd thought.

Regina is the worst possible magic ambassador that’s for sure (well, other than Rumple of course but he can contain himself *most* of the time. Regina uses magic just to search through a purse for crying out loud! Addict much?)

I’m definitely curious about who else might be a part of the Home Office as somebody important is likely calling the shots. I seriously doubt some nobody we’ve never heard of is in charge.

The bean could be going anywhere, that is true. We've seen it travel to a few places now and in general they seem to go wherever the person is thinking of when they throw it / jump into it. If it's just thinking and depends on the thrower, then Tamara could have sent Neal anywhere and/or specifically thought of the EF but it could also be that that's what NEAL thought of since it was his home long ago. If they think of somewhere else to go when they take Henry, who knows where they're going! I think the concensus has mostly been NL just because we know the Jolly Roger should be able to get back there but that begs the question of how as well. Do they have the 3rd bean? And the ship is a safer way to transport so many people? Does somebody overhear where GOAT are going? AHH so many questions!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[MysteryKat25]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

GOAT thinks they are serving a higher purpose, they honestly think what the Home Office asks them to do is the right and noble thing. So like so many villains on this show, I don’t think we can just flat out call evil or crazy. (Just give me Tamara’s story already!)

I wanted Cora’s backstory as much as I despised her but I’m not sure I really want to watch Tamara’s unless it’s extremely compelling. The last time we got an episode that had flashbacks for her it really wasn’t one of my faves.

The only reason I’d want to see Tamara’s story is to wrap it up and get rid of her.

Most of the time, knowing how these writers are, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and say wait for the story so we at least understand where they’re coming from whether we like their reasoning or not but with her, ugh I’m just ready for her to be gone!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[RumplesGirl]

When I watch Tamara and hear her speak about magic I’m just struck by how much she hates it and I find it hard to believe that someone could hate magic that much to have not come into contact with it in a very negative way. We know why Greg hates magic. If Wendy made the Home Office then I think we know why she would hate magic. But Tamara? Thus far, we know nothing.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheGoldenKey]

GOAT are just so baaaaaahhhh’d! (trying my best to baa like a goat here 😉 )

Someone was joking about Tamara being related to Torquemada, of the Spanish Inquisition (SI). A modern day SI perhaps? 😮

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Demileto]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

GOAT thinks they are serving a higher purpose, they honestly think what the Home Office asks them to do is the right and noble thing. So like so many villains on this show, I don’t think we can just flat out call evil or crazy. (Just give me Tamara’s story already!)

I don’t think we should expect every operative of the Home Office to be given a backstory, and in Tamara’s case I’m not sure she’ll live to become a character proeminent enough to warrant one. After what she did to Neal I can’t see the finale ending without Rumple wreck a terrible vengeance upon her.

[RumplesGirl]

@Demileto wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

GOAT thinks they are serving a higher purpose, they honestly think what the Home Office asks them to do is the right and noble thing. So like so many villains on this show, I don’t think we can just flat out call evil or crazy. (Just give me Tamara’s story already!)

I don’t think we should expect every operative of the Home Office to be given a backstory, and in Tamara’s case I’m not sure she’ll live to become a character proeminent enough to warrant one. After all, after what she did to Neal I can’t see the finale ending without Rumple wreck a terrible vengeance upon her.

I agree, but I think making her so closely linked to a major character like Neal means we have to learn more about her eventually. And I also don’t know how many of these Home Office operatives we’ll see. We could only ever see GOAT and then the head of the office.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

GOAT are just so baaaaaahhhh’d! (trying my best to baa like a goat here 😉 )

Someone was joking about Tamara being related to Torquemada, of the Spanish Inquisition (SI). A modern day SI perhaps? 😮

“No one expects the SI!”

If they’re going to mash up some Monty Python, can we get a killer bunny?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Demileto]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I agree, but I think making her so closely linked to a major character like Neal means we have to learn more about her eventually. And I also don’t know how many of these Home Office operatives we’ll see. We could only ever see GOAT and then the head of the office.

Their boss doesn’t necessarily have to be the head of the office. I’m not an X-Files expert, but IIRC the Cigarrette Smoking Man, the main antagonist of the series, while being the face of the conspiracy he wasn’t the head of it, the members of the Syndicate were, or at least they were his superiors.

CSM also controlled many individuals directly or indirectly. Some got names and sometimes backstories, but the majority remained nameless.

A CSM-like guy is, incidentally, how I’d like the face of the anti-magic organization to be. He could be a formidable foe to Charming, replacing the ineffective-in-present-day King George as his rival.

[MysteryKat25]

I’m thinking we’ll at least see the head of the Home Office simply because I doubt it’s somebody that we’ve never heard of before. Whether that means it’s a character we’ve seen already or not, I’m sure they’ll be someone well known (though I would think it would have more of a jaw-dropping impact if they show us who it is and it’s somebody we recognize from the show then fade to black).

We need a chart or something about who hates magic, who loves magic, and who’s somewhere in between. I think Robin Hood loved magic because it made his bow never miss and then it saved Marian so if Tamara is their daughter that’s a far cry from where her parents were so there has to be a big reason to hate it so much which means we should at least be getting that backstory, and we already known GregOwen’s deal since he was traumatized by Regina as a child and then left all alone in the outside world with people thinking he was crazy for thinking there was a town there (as long as Henry doesn’t end up like him, and I think he’ll be ok since he was proven right at a young age and is surrounded by good people who love him, he won’t become like GregOwen resenting it all – though in the words of snow, the TNT at the well gave me pause).

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

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