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@Demileto wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Good point. I’ll remain skeptical but if Rumple does off her…I’ll cheer just as loudly as the rest of you. 😀
For keeping Belle imprisoned for 30 or so years, Rumple sent a wraith against Regina to curse her soul for eternity. The least I expect from him is to attempt to top this for the “death” of the son he loves so much he’s spent a lifetime to find. 🙂
Oh I absolutely expect an attempt. And I hope it’s something crazy and magical. For all I want Rumple to fight his darkness, I really want to see Tamara go down (I honestly don’t want to see her in S3, I just think we will).
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m not going to cheer for two reasons.
1) She’s not the worst villain we’ve seen.
She’s not as bad as Cora or even Regina. She thinks she’s fighting a war, and wars (as Rumpel said) do have costs. I’ll fault her for maybe not trying to minimize the costs as hard as she can, but she’s not crazy or selfish. She thinks this is all for the greater good so she is misguided perhaps, thinking all magic users are “evil creatures”. With Regina as an example, she sort of has a point.2)There’s darkness for whoever does the deed.
Its fun to cheer on Regina or Rumpel using their power to help “our heroes”–but just like Snow having a dark heart over killing Cora, I don’t want more darkness for either Rumpel or Regina right now. If they kill GOAT, sure, we’re cheering now, but much better if they capture Tamara and treat her humanely, rather than proving her point that these “magical creatures” cannot co-exist civilly and peacefully with the rest of the world.
Then of course, like a good spy she uses her suicide pill and keeps the details of the Home Office from them. Because we need a twist of drama, and I don’t think I want to see her character get redeemed and join our “family”.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Its fun to cheer on Regina or Rumpel using their power to help “our heroes”–but just like Snow having a dark heart over killing Cora, I don’t want more darkness for either Rumpel or Regina right now. If they kill GOAT, sure, we’re cheering now, but much better if they capture Tamara and treat her humanely, rather than proving her point that these “magical creatures” cannot co-exist civilly and peacefully with the rest of the world.
This is a good point. If they kill GOAT, the Home Office will probably double their efforts.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@KFChimera wrote:
I’m not going to cheer for two reasons.
1) She’s not the worst villain we’ve seen.
She’s not as bad as Cora or even Regina. She thinks she’s fighting a war, and wars (as Rumpel said) do have costs. I’ll fault her for maybe not trying to minimize the costs as hard as she can, but she’s not crazy or selfish. She thinks this is all for the greater good so she is misguided perhaps, thinking all magic users are “evil creatures”. With Regina as an example, she sort of has a point.I disagree. While Cora and Regina are evil monsters, they are not beyond reasoning with; Tamara, however, is a fanatic, and there’s nothing more dangerous than dealing with fanatics, because there’s no reasoning with someone who believes wholly in the righteousness of his/her mission. It’s like expecting Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden to have come to a peace agreement, it was just not going to happen.
Do you think Regina knows who they work for? ❓
By the way it might be just me but Tamara and Greg seem stiff they don’t really seem to go with the flow like Snow and Regina with the one liners Snow/Regina get they deliver them like the mean it not phoney or done with no heart into and maybe that is why I just can’t stand the scenes with Tamara/Greg they really don’t seem to snic in as well as the other actors do in my opinion. 😕
@KFChimera wrote:
I disagree. While Cora and Regina are evil monsters, they are not beyond reasoning with; Tamara, however, is a fanatic, and there’s nothing more dangerous than dealing with fanatics, because there’s no reasoning with someone who believes wholly in the righteousness of his/her mission.
I’m gonna have to agree with this. Even seeing how awful Cora was I still figured there was some story to it and I was ok with seeing how she became the way she was but with Tamara I just don’t see any ounce of former goodness at all. She is, like you said, a fanatic and that can be extremely dangerous. She certainly doesn’t seem like she can be reasoned with. At least we knew Cora’s biggest problem (that she removed her own heart) whereas Tamara clearly just has a major axe to grind and has some serious issues that while I’m mildly curious how she got to this point I’m just sick of seeing her at all. Cora I loved to hate but I just want Tamara GONE.
I was worried after they got rid of Cora that somebody worse would come along. =/ We haven’t delved much into King George yet which is what I was expecting next but even he, back in the shepherd, had moments where you could tell he was mourning his son and was probably once a lot better than he became when he had to force the guy who looked just like his son to pretend to be someone he wasn’t. I’m sure that changed him (how weird would it be for somebody with the face of someone who loves you to have them hate you? Talk about depressing).
With GOAT, specifically Tamara – if we get rid of them yay for a few minutes but I am a little concerned about what comes next. Hopefully, whoever it will be more compelling. I find most of the villains on the show compelling even if I love to hate some of them and Tamara is just off in a category by herself where I really just don’t care.
It’s all weird for me, I love the shades of grey on the show and the twists and turns it takes. Tamara is the probably the first character where I’m just sick of seeing her and I want her gone. All of GOAT fits into that actually.
It’ll be interesting to see where that goes after they’re taken care up (hoping this ep gives us SOMETHING to work with on the Home Office front) but I’m sick of GOAT so whoever is calling the shots at the Home Office better be a bit more compelling.
Still confused about why the press release doesn’t include a lot of names it should…otherwise it’s weird we got casting news before even a S3 confirmation so they have to be more people in this episode (not to mention the pictures we've actually seen of MAP with Neal).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I would love for Rumple to take out Tamara, but I don’t think it will happen this season because of that video showing GOAT kidnapping Henry. Tamara escapes.
Also, Neal is still alive and assuming he lives into S3 (I REALLY want him to!) then he won’t like his father killing his ex-fiancée, even after all she’s done. Neal’s not like that. And I want Gold/Neal to have a better relationship so Idk if Rumple killing her would be good.I wonder if the destruction of Storybrooke is stopped which is why GOAT have to use a magic bean to escape. Perhaps kidnapping Henry is GOAT’s insurance policy since they know the Dark One will be after them for what happened to Bae.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI honestly don’t think that the show would kill off Tamara before we at least get a backstory of her. As of right now, GOAT is basically the current big bad of the show and if they were to kill her before we at least see a backstory of the show, then we will probably never know how Tamara became evil. I ultimately think Adam and Eddy are saving Tamara’s death for when we see a backstory of how she became evil just like they did with Cora and her backstory on how she became evil.
I can see however that we shall get the backstory on how she became evil along her death very early in season 3 (like in the first 3 episodes) though since Sonequa is promoted a series regular on the Walking Dead and Eddy and Adam probably want to create as little scheduling conflicts as possible so that Sonequa can focus on the Walking Dead.
Keeper of Tamara's death, Cyrus's bottle, Ariel's red hair, and the mermaid that got turned into a statue in the season 3 premiere episode.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I wonder if the destruction of Storybrooke is stopped which is why GOAT have to use a magic bean to escape. Perhaps kidnapping Henry is GOAT’s insurance policy since they know the Dark One will be after them for what happened to Bae.
Maybe I’m just in extreme denial over the prospect of SB vanishing, but I agree that the destruction plan will fizzle out, (when Emma’s magic saves the day and deactivates the failsafe). In the scene where they activate the failsafe, GOAT are in suicide bomber mode all, “We’re willing to die for our cause,” but then later they’re leaving town via portal. Does not compute.
So I think their original plan to destroy the place has to go wrong, and then knowing that the whole of SB and all the magical beings therein will be out for their blood if they stay anywhere in this world, GOAT snatch Henry to use as a bargaining chip to save their asses, and flee to another world.
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