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[astrawoid]

@Phee wrote:

Idea that just popped into my head, and speaking of assumptions, it plays into the one that Tamara is the child of Robin and Marian. For this theory to be able to play out, I think Tamara would have had to have been in an Emma-esque situation, where either her pregnant mother, or herself as a baby, was sent to our world. Maybe the situation with a magical tree portal to save an unborn baby wasn’t the first time Blue had done it, and pregnant Marian, or Marian and baby Tamara got away. Tamara would have been told stories about her father and where their family came from and what happened to separate them. Then Marian died in our world, and Tamara ended up stuck in the “anger” phase of grieving, because her mother was gone and she never knew her father…which is the fault of magic. Perfect recruit for The Home Office. (I know this isn’t taking the grandmother into account, but let’s assume that she was the only person who Tamara had left after her mother died, but then grandma died too, and Tamara no longer had anyone to hold her accountable, so she threw herself full force into her current cause).

Anyway…if a situation like that proves true for Tamara’s history…then GOAT and Henry end up in FTL and run into long lost Papa Robin, he may be the one to trigger a change in Tamara and explain to her how wrong she is to have this vendetta against magic. Also, it would add tension between GOAT if Greg’s just discovered that his father died, but then Tamara gets reunited with hers, who she wasn’t even looking for.

I like this idea. I haven’t really been on the Tamara being RH and Marian’s daughter bandwagon but I do like the idea that RH is left in FTL and either Tamara and grandmother crossed over or pregnant Marian. Maybe a pregnant Marian crosses over to our world and happens upon a kind older woman who is there for Marian and listens to her story about how she (Marian) to came to our land what magic has done to her and her family and how she had to leave behind her true love. And then after, Tamara is born, Marian falls ill again and dies, leaving Tamara in the care of this woman who Tamara eventually calls grandmother. But she raises Tamara thinking that magic is evil and unholy and killed her parents. Could this be plausible?

And I really like the idea of Tamara meeting her father in FTL and telling her she got everything wrong.

[astrawoid]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Rather than transporting everyone in SB back to the EF, I think Emma’s innate True Love magic could simply be enough to reverse the failsafe, even after if it’s already been activated. Her magic is fueled by her instinct to protect people. In Broken, Emma touched Regina’s arm, which activated Jefferson’s hat and saved Regina’s life. In The Queen of Hearts, Emma pushed Snow White out of harm’s path and deflected Cora with her care bear stare. And in The Miller’s Daughter, Emma created a protective barrier spell when her parents, Neal, and Rumple were in danger. So, imagine if the town of SB is about to wiped off of the map and herself and her family included. I think Emma’s mama bear emotions would be in overdrive with Henry’s life especially at stake. She could have an adrenaline-charged true-love-is-the-most-powerful-magic moment. Thus, SB and its townsfolk would be preserved after all. Then, Tamara and Greg jump ship, kidnapping Henry along the way, and Emma & Co. go after them in Hook’s ship, because Hook manages to swipe one of the two remaining beans off of GOAT just before he double-crossed them.

This. I love all of it. I can totally see all of that happening.

"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."

[Phee]

@astrawoid wrote:

Maybe a pregnant Marian crosses over to our world and happens upon a kind older woman who is there for Marian and listens to her story about how she (Marian) to came to our land what magic has done to her and her family and how she had to leave behind her true love. And then after, Tamara is born, Marian falls ill again and dies, leaving Tamara in the care of this woman who Tamara eventually calls grandmother. But she raises Tamara thinking that magic is evil and unholy and killed her parents. Could this be plausible?

Totally plausible IMO. Love that idea!

[Demileto]

@KFChimera wrote:

As for Cora–I would say she was actually beyond reason most of the time. Remember the time Jefferson tried to bargain with Cora? He says “If I tell you how I got here, can I see my daughter” and her response is, “Off with his head!” Or the time Snow traded the dagger for Johanna’s life, and Cora flung Johanna out the window anyway? I don’t think Cora was “reasonable”. Her cause was herself and her quest for power and maybe Regina (though I’m still not sure about that) and she would not let anything stop her.

Cora’s lack of a heart played a lot in her unreasonableness. Who knows how reasonable could she be if we’d more than just a few seconds of screentime with a heartful Cora? She certainly saw Regina with new eyes after that.

@KFChimera wrote:

No, I think people are harder on Tamara because we haven’t gotten her backstory, she interfered with a popular ship, she has “killed” two of our more main hero characters, is a two-timer. While there are some parallels with real world fanatics and we fear such people (rightly so), not everyone who believes in a cause goes full-on nutso about it so long they cannot ever see reason or admit wrong-doing. Someone mentioned the Salem Witch Trials in connection with the Home Office–ever see this? Declaration of Regret. People sometimes get caught up in a cause until something makes them see the evil behind what they themselves are doing, not just those they are attacking in the name of righteousness. I don’t know how they intend to write Tamara just yet–full on crazy or just misguided. She did seem regretful about shooting Neal and popping the portal, telling him he was a good man, so perhaps as we see more they could show us the other side of her story. Then she dies just as we realize she’s not quite the fanatic and lost cause that we thought. Because they like to play with us like that.

I’ve said it before, the Home Office is likely to have so many operatives we can’t expect all of them to get episodes devoted to their backstories. I see it more likely that we’ll get a Greg backstory showing him joining the HO and meeting Tamara, during which she sums in a few lines her (bad) experience with magic.

I say this because I severely doubt she’ll survive the finale. She just messed with one of the most precious people to Rumplestiltskin, he’ll totally be out for her blood. The episode description even mentions this: “and Mr. Gold mourns the loss of his son, Bae/Neal”; we all know Henry’ll be mourning Neal too, I see no reason for them to mention Gold’s mourning, let alone singling him out, in the synopsys if it’s not going to play a heavy role in the events.

[Phee]

@Demileto wrote:

I see it more likely that we’ll get a Greg backstory showing him joining the HO and meeting Tamara,

Aren’t those both the same thing? 😈 Sorry, couldn’t help myself. 😛

I say this because I severely doubt she’ll survive the finale

So you think they’ll locate kidnapped Henry and GOAT before the end of the ep? I’d been thinking that everyone setting off on the Jolly Rodger to find them will be near the end of the ep, and Henry (and GOAT) won’t actually be found until next season.

[Demileto]

@Phee wrote:

Aren’t those both the same thing? 😈 Sorry, couldn’t help myself. 😛

Hahaha! The first option focuses on Tamara, the other on Greg. But you already knew that. 😛

@Phee wrote:

So you think they’ll locate kidnapped Henry and GOAT before the end of the ep? I’d been thinking that everyone setting off on the Jolly Rodger to find them will be near the end of the ep, and Henry (and GOAT) won’t actually be found until next season.

Yeah, I do. The prophecy of Rumple’s undoing is intended to play a role in the finale; unless they claim that Henry is Rumple’s undoing because he’s what motivated Neal to fall willingly into the portal – which would be a big letdown for so much buildup – I can’t see it not involving a showdown between Rumple and GOAT for the life of Henry.

[rumbelledearie]

@Phee wrote:

@Demileto wrote:

I see it more likely that we’ll get a Greg backstory showing him joining the HO and meeting Tamara,

Aren’t those both the same thing? 😈 Sorry, couldn’t help myself. 😛

I say this because I severely doubt she’ll survive the finale

So you think they’ll locate kidnapped Henry and GOAT before the end of the ep? I’d been thinking that everyone setting off on the Jolly Rodger to find them will be near the end of the ep, and Henry (and GOAT) won’t actually be found until next season.

Maybe the kidnapping isn’t what it seems/doesn’t end the way we think? I mean if this was a huge moment in the season finale wouldn’t they have been more secretive about it? Like making sure people couldn’t be there to take videos of it?

[Phee]

@RumbelleDearie wrote:

Maybe the kidnapping isn’t what it seems/doesn’t end the way we think? I mean if this was a huge moment in the season finale wouldn’t they have been more secretive about it? Like making sure people couldn’t be there to take videos of it?

Last year someone leaked vid of Snowing calling to each other using their real names and kissing when the curse broke.

[RumplesGirl]

My driving question about the kidnapping is why NL? What prompts GOAT to go to another land when in the preview they say they are willing to die for their cause?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

My driving question about the kidnapping is why NL? What prompts GOAT to go to another land when in the preview they say they are willing to die for their cause?

Yes, that’s been the primary question on my mind, too. I think there is more than meets the eye to Henry. Perhaps as the child of Emma and Baelfire, he has magic of his own. Maybe they go to NL because Henry is destined to become the next Pan. It’s not clear. Or perhaps they know about the prophesy and believe Henry is the key to taking down the Dark One.If SB fails to self-destruct, maybe they kidnap Henry as an insurance policy, as revenge, or for ransom.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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