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April 23, 2013 at 2:49 am #187969RumplesGirlKeymaster
I think I missed something. How do we know Belle stayed with Rumple for 2-3 years?
Not saying, saying that her stay with Rumple was 2 or 3 years before the curse.
If Belle was with Regina for at least 2 years, as evidenced by the marks on her wall and we know Belle was with Rumple from winter-spring then the year rolled over. And there was a span of time when she hunting the Yaoigui.[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 23, 2013 at 2:53 am #187970RumplesGirlKeymasterLOL. When in doubt: go to the source. I just tweeted Adam. Maybe I’ll get lucky and he’ll respond?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 23, 2013 at 3:51 am #187982PheeParticipant@Surayya wrote:
I need clarification on what these dates are based on- just Belles tally marks, because if they represent days there’d 364 for every yr she’d spent there- which would look like HEAPS on a wall & I didn’t see a cap with that many in it 😕
Daniel counted the marks on the wall. Here are the show notes for Queen of Hearts with the screencap of Belle’s room that has his tally count all over it:
https://oncepodcast.com/once-upon-a-time-podcast-068-queen-of-hearts-discussion-and-theories/@RumplesGirl wrote:
LOL. When in doubt: go to the source. I just tweeted Adam. Maybe I’ll get lucky and he’ll respond?
Hope he responds, because methinks that’s the only way this debate can be resolved!
It could be that certain ranks within the fairies all used the same design of wand. Sort of like how different ranks of soldiers have different stripes on their uniforms, to indicate their status. So there could have potentially been more than one wand like that in existence. Though it’s also possible that K&H are going the Harry Potter route and having each wand be individual and specific to the person who uses it. We just don’t know for sure either way.
April 23, 2013 at 4:12 am #187986HappyEndingsSpectatorQuestion: What is the difference between a Fairy Godmother, and a regular Fairy like the Blue ❓
April 23, 2013 at 5:05 am #187995lilysmomParticipantA fairy godmother would be one that has specific people or a specific group of people that they look after. Fairies only help when called on. Just guessing.
April 23, 2013 at 5:57 am #188004surayyaParticipant@HappyEndings wrote:
@Surayya wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
Will Gold had a lot of wands in his shop. But if they don’t explain why it couldn’t work on Snow’s mother but on Maid Merian that just isn’t right in my opinion.
Because that wasn’t really Blue that Little Snow spoke too- it was Cora pretending to be Blue – remember Snow said “how did you know to come, I didn’t make my wish yet” Blue had no idea she was needed as no one called/ wished for her 🙂
But Snow as calling for the Blue Fairy if I remember right and Cora came instead.
No, if i recall she was talking out loud about which start to send her wish to, she wasn’t actually thinking or wishing ‘for’ the Blue Fairy at that point- hence her surprise when Cora/Blue showed up.
April 23, 2013 at 6:29 am #188005surayyaParticipantFar out, after reading every ones take on timelines, my brain is about to melt down lol. I actually think much of the confusion we all have is, some think things have happened over years rather than mths as others do.
I just added Belle’s tally marks up & it comes to 251, so by my working out on those numbers, that’s approx 8&1/2-9mths- where did 2-3yrs come from???
Way I saw it was the Ogres at belles kingdom had to be an isolated incident in a far off kingdom (because no one else mentions them aside from when Rumple went to war before he became the dark one, which we know was years befoe recent events ), so….
Rumple takes Charming to George & learns of the fairy (all That stuff happens)
Rumple gets Belle- a few weeks after or before this-
Rumple kabooms fairy for her wand.
Then Robin hood happens.
Then Rumbelle starts, he sends Belle into town on her own, she meets Regina, goes back & tries TLK on Rumple:
Belle is tossed out: (we split into 2 here)
Belle goes on adventures- During this time Charming & Snow have been recently wed (I think)- Rumple catches up with Cinder’s & names his price at her wedding.
Belle gets nabbed by Regina. (Back to the one line).
Regina gloats to Rumple about Belle dying
Rumple gets caught by enchanted quill etcI REALLY hope we get an answer to timeline from Adam.
BUT I will do a refresher watching of S1 over the next week (it’s not like anything else is on over here 😉 ) & see whats what- I’ll be honest I haven’t obsessed over Rumbelles timeline before now lol 😉April 23, 2013 at 7:10 am #188007PheeParticipant@Surayya wrote:
I just added Belle’s tally marks up & it comes to 251, so by my working out on those numbers, that’s approx 8&1/2-9mths- where did 2-3yrs come from???
The numbers Daniel put on the screencap indicate how many groups of tally marks are on each section of the wall. One group of tally marks = 5 strokes = 5 days. So add up all the numbers, then multiply by 5 to get the total number of strokes on the walls.
48 + 25 + 27 + 32 + 38 + 33 + 34 + 16 + 3 + 5 = 261 groups of tally marks.
261 x 5 = 1305 tally strokes (days).
1305 / 365 (days in a year) = 3.58 years.April 23, 2013 at 7:31 am #188009surayyaParticipant@Phee wrote:
@Surayya wrote:
I just added Belle’s tally marks up & it comes to 251, so by my working out on those numbers, that’s approx 8&1/2-9mths- where did 2-3yrs come from???
The numbers Daniel put on the screencap indicate how many groups of tally marks are on each section of the wall. One group of tally marks = 5 strokes = 5 days. So add up all the numbers, then multiply by 5 to get the total number of strokes on the walls.
48 + 25 + 27 + 32 + 38 + 33 + 34 + 16 + 3 + 5 = 261 groups of tally marks.
261 x 5 = 1305 tally strokes (days).
1305 / 365 (days in a year) = 3.58 years.😆 😆 😆 I’m an idiot 😉 Still trying to figure out this windows 8 laptop, so the brightness is still set at lowest level & I couldn’t see squat on his screen cap other than the numbers 😆
Ok. So we can either assume she was with Regina for approx 3 & 1/2yrs, or someone else was 😉
That still doesn’t give us a lock on before then tho 😐 – why couldn’t she have marked her cell wall at Rumple’s, it’d help narrow things down 😆 😉April 23, 2013 at 8:52 am #188012MyrilParticipantmaybe should rename this topic to “Timeline discussion” 😉
But to chime in ….
To me it looks less and less likely, that the tally marks give away, how long Belle was prisoner of Regina before the curse. We don’t even know if she made the marks or someone else did.
Concerning the wand. Doubt they would use the same prop without it being the same wand. A different colored handle could have been done in no time, and they had already other wands, see Gold’s dream sequence. So I think it is safe to assume, the wand Robin Hood stole is the wand of Cinderella’s fairy godmother. Otherwise that would be a big mess up. That are things prop department absolutely has to keep track of.
It’s possible, that the wand got stolen and nevertheless after the curse ended up in Gold’s shop, but as likely Rumple got it back already in the Enchanted Forest before the curse happened.
Interesting eventually for discussing order / timeline of events, although no the least helpful: If you compare pictures of the room in the castle, there are a few changes. About where the sofa stands, on which Belle sits reading a book when Rumple discovers that Hood is gone, we can see in “Skin Deep” the spinning wheel. The spinning wheel stands here in “Lacey” close to the exit to the entry hall, on the other side of the room, near the covered mirror. The wand is on display next to the sword, the sword we can see as well in “Deep Skin”, but to its right there you see the wooden puppets (Geppetto’s parents). Looks like Rumple liked to do some redecoration every other day 😉 (think in this case they did mess up and produced a classical continue error, like they already did with Neal’s apartment IMO)
@RumplesGirl wrote:
1) Rumple kills Fairy Godmother and takes wand (maybe 3 or 4 years before Curse)
2) Rumple brings Belle to his castle (3 or 4 yrs BC)
3) Robin Hood shows up to take Wand and the events of Lacey (3 yrs BC)
4) Events of Skin Deep and the Outsider (2 years before curse??!?!?!?!?!) (I hate these markings on Belle’s cell with each passing moment of typing this comment)
5) Regina tells Rumple that Belle is dead (2 years before curse?)
6) Thomas and Cinderella marry (one year before Curse)
7) Cinderella is pregnant (7 ish months before curse)
8) Rumple is captured (7 ish months before curse)
9) CURSEThink we can agree on the order of events, what is unclear is the time it took. Years or maybe just months, leaning towards the latter. Cinderella’s pregnancy might indeed give a reference. Some women do show early, but think it’s less likely that she was in her first trimester, more likely second, close to third trimester eventually. If 7 months or maybe only 3 months before curse might not make such a difference in the timeline, but think Rumple was in captivity less than half a year.
Adam Horowitz stated on Twitter, that Snow was about 4 weeks pregnant at Ella’s wedding. Hmmm. Well. If he says so. That would mean, Ella must have become pregnant shortly after her wedding, maybe a months or two. That kinda narrows the time Rumple was in captivity down more.
That makes it more likely, that between Rumple killing Ella’s fairy godmother and her wedding some more time went by than just a few days, despite what common fairy tale logic might suggest.
Whatever. The little imp must have been very, very busy the last couple of months before the curse. Well, that happens when you lollygag for some hundred of years, you then have to work overtime to meet the deadline. 😆
The Evil Queen must have been quite busy as well, but what do you expect, evil fairy tale queen, probably spend more time finding the right wardrobe to look devilishly good than plotting her revenge. 😉
Who has no headaches by now? 😕
It can work. I guess. (And feeling an itch to hang up a huge piece of paper on the wall of my living room and start to draw a timeline, a few things still are done better in old fashion analog ways. Uhm, where and when does the group for “OUaT fans gone crazy” meet?)
(And the more I look at the story of “Robin Hood and the Wand” the more it looks like the black hole of plot holes, starting small but its gravity swallowing more and more of the show, becoming the mouth of writers’ hell) 😈
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