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@Hannah97 wrote:
Yeah, I really don’t understand why people want Hook and Emma together. Yes, he’s good-looking but the guy is really evil. He’s been plotting his revenge for hundreds of years, he’s murdered, and he’s double crossed pretty much everyone he’s ever worked with. If that doesn’t tell you that the guy is bad news I don’t know what will.
Yet people want Rumpelstiltskin and Regina to find love and they also did absolutely horrible things. They ruined MANY lives and killed MANY people. We’ve only seen a brief glimpse into into Hook’s background so I think it is too soon to judge exactly what kind of person he is. I can make an assumption that he is so fueled by revenge that he does terrible things but I do think that he has some sort of code. It’s not always what we think is the most correct thing to do, but he does seem to have some compassion i.e. getting back Aurora’s heart. I just think he is a character that still needs to be developed fully. His character keeps us guessing, and I think the writers did that on purpose.
As for Hook and Emma, there was definitely chemistry there but I’m not sure if the writers are just going to tease this relationship or actually follow through with it. Emma found that Hook challenged her and was a partner in crime that intrigues her since it is similar to the relationship she had with Neal. I think the only way more people will accept the relationship with Hook and Emma (if it happens) is if he goes on a path of redemption and proves to Emma (and the audience) that he is worthy of that affection.
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Hook compared Emma to a shrivelled old bean. She left him at the top of a beanstalk. Romance between these two this season is very unlikely.
However, Hook does seem to have a thing for unavailable women. If Emma maybe has a reunion with Henry’s dad and tries to make a go of it, I can see Hook taking more of an interest in her but as of now he is too focussed on his revenge against Rumple.
Also, Emma loves Henry so she’s not going to leave him for Hook like Milah did with Bae. That would make for some quite funny scenes though if, everytime Hook and Emma tried to have some alone time, Henry would pop up and make it incredibly awkward for them. Henry may also actively work to split Emma and Hook up and push his father and Emma together.
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Keeper of FelixIf it came to the point of saving Emma’s life, and call me nieve, but I think Hook would choose to save Emma. Here’s why: He too, has an ability to love sacrificially.
But at the cost of his vengeance against Rumple? Really? I don’t see that happening. Would he be torn? Possibly, but I don’t see him making that choice. I agree with you about the fact that his character could grow. I’m just saying that out of what little we’ve seen of Neal and Hook, I think Neal’s better suited for her and every one’s entitled to their opinions.
Henry may also actively work to split Emma and Hook up and push his father and Emma together.
If they actually do more then just tease the Captain Swan relationship I so want to see that. I could so see Henry asking Hook “what are your intentions towards my mother,” and letting Neal off the hook (no pun intended) with the same thing.
That’s another reason I don’t think Captain Swan could be Endgame. Hook’s a bad guy and Henry’s obsessed with heroes. I don’t think Henry would approve of Hook unless he did a complete 160 (and would people like him as much if he did?) and Emma wouldn’t be with someone Henry couldn’t stand.
@AllThatGlitters wrote:
Yet people want Rumpelstiltskin and Regina to find love and they also did absolutely horrible things. They ruined MANY lives and killed MANY people. We’ve only seen a brief glimpse into into Hook’s background so I think it is too soon to judge exactly what kind of person he is. I can make an assumption that he is so fueled by revenge that he does terrible things but I do think that he has some sort of code. It’s not always what we think is the most correct thing to do, but he does seem to have some compassion i.e. getting back Aurora’s heart. I just think he is a character that still needs to be developed fully. His character keeps us guessing, and I think the writers did that on purpose.
Well I wouldn’t say everyone wants that. There are a lot of EvilRegal and Dearie fans, on the Internet, that want them to find love. However, there’s also a good percentage of fans that don’t have an easy label that only like Regina and Rumpelstiltskin because they’re villains but would never ship them with anyone, at least anyone good, because they want them to stay evil. Or if they’re redeemed have it be a long drawn out realistic process that they go through because they want it for their sake not because of someone else like Henry or Belle. There’s not many of these kind of people here; although on chat, I find that there are, but there are a lot at Television Without Pity.
I sort of vacillate between wanting the Rumpel and Regina redeeming themselves and eventually finding love, but at other times, I just want them to stay who they are because I think the show tends to be better with them as the villains. Maybe if they introduce other villains it will change, but while Cora makes for a great baddie, she still doesn’t compare to Rumpel and Regina to me. Likewise, I love that Hook is doing more villainous things, but he doesn’t compare either, imo.
Anyhow, I can accept Regina and Rumpel eventually getting a happy ending whether that involves love with someone else or not, but they really have to work for it. I also hope that they choose to be good for their own sake and not because they feel they have to, to please Henry, Belle, Bae, or whomever. Right now I don’t think that they’re even close to that point though.
However, I can root for them to get there because the show has given them enough layers, at least for me, that they were good people a long time ago that made the wrong choice at one point, and then they kept making the wrong choices that made them worse and worse inside. With Hook, he’s always come across as a bully to me even before Milah was murdered.
Then, there’s also the fact that while the show can make the villains sympathetic, I feel they don’t all need to be redeemed in fact, I think the show would get very boring, if every villain redeemed himself/herself. So while Cora may have been forced into a situation where her father, perhaps, pushed her into lying to a King or the original Henry about her gold spinning ability or something along those lines, I don’t want to see her next season, in a story line like her daughter is in now. Likewise, King George may have become bitter and mad because of the loss of his true love and then the loss of his son, I don’t want to see him next season trying to make amends to David.
For me, it’s the same as with Hook. While I definitely don’t think Milah deserved to be murdered, and I can understand Hook wanting revenge above all else because of the love that he had for her, I don’t want to see him redeemed through the love of a good woman. It’s too similar to the Rumpel and Belle storyline, imo, and while I think that kind of story of a good woman redeeming the bad boy for them, I don’t think it would work for Emma.
I think it works because Belle is written differently than Emma. She’s strong in her own way, but she’s more naive and certainly less cynical than Emma. With Belle her optimism can also be a flaw, so I think that works well with Rumbelle. It’s just very difficult for me to see Emma being in a relationship where she comes across as naive and wanting to fix the bad boy. If she were at the age she was when she and Neal first were together, then it would make more sense. However, she’s now almost 30, has a son that just came back into her life, and is still trying to get a grasp on everything that she’s learned in the past year, so I don’t really see her being in that kind of frame of mind where she wants to “fix” her partner. If she had a personality like that, it would make sense, but seeing her interact with potential romantic interests over the past one and half seasons, I’ve never gotten the impression that Emma has ever wanted to be the type to want to “fix” her partner.
As for Hook and Emma, there was definitely chemistry there but I’m not sure if the writers are just going to tease this relationship or actually follow through with it. Emma found that Hook challenged her and was a partner in crime that intrigues her since it is similar to the relationship she had with Neal. I think the only way more people will accept the relationship with Hook and Emma (if it happens) is if he goes on a path of redemption and proves to Emma (and the audience) that he is worthy of that affection.
I think that chemistry is very subjective, and that while it’s great if a fictional relationship has a lot of it, there will always be people who think that a couple doesn’t have it. For me, Hook and Emma are like that since many people think that they have it, but I just don’t see it. I think that he has sexual chemistry with Cora, Regina, Milah, and even Aurora, but I just don’t see it with Hook and Emma because he always seems to be trying way too hard. Likewise, I think that Emma has had sexual chemistry with Regina, Graham, Jefferson, and Neal, but I don’t see it in her scenes with Hook, because she always looks bored and about to roll her eyes to whatever he says.
@AntBee wrote:
@AllThatGlitters wrote:
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As… I think the only way more people will accept the relationship with Hook and Emma (if it happens) is if he goes on a path of redemption and proves to Emma (and the audience) that he is worthy of that affection….
Agreed. I also believe that would be a better way to tell the story. Don’t leave bad people bad, and good people without an element of complication. Nobody in this world is perfect, and nobody in that fictional world will be, either. I want to see that story of redemption. That’s what I’m hoping for.
@Oncewatcher wrote:
@Hannah97 wrote:
Yeah, I really don’t understand why people want Hook and Emma together. Yes, he’s good-looking but the guy is really evil. He’s been plotting his revenge for hundreds of years, he’s murdered, and he’s double crossed pretty much everyone he’s ever worked with. If that doesn’t tell you that the guy is bad news I don’t know what will.
Chemistry. The Buzzsugar poll was right. The sexual tension there is really good. There’s more a potential for drama. There’s just more potential there all the way around. Those attributes just aren’t there with Neal. And honestly, shallow as I know it probably sounds, I’ll be blunt. Colin O’Donoghue is a looker. Cute as a button. A good ratings getter. The other guy just isn’t much to look at and sad as I know it is, appearance has everything to do with how fans will relate to what they do with this.
More cold, hard truth: Neal and Emma are too innocent. It’s sweet yes, but where push comes to shove, when put into action, it’s not realistically practical at the point of application. That’s another reason why for the sake of the show, I think putting Emma with Neal would be cute & sweet, but the excitement over that will fizzle quickly. That innocense will soon equate to booring. Whether for the right reasons or for the wrong reasons, the truth is that some things work better in theory, than in reality. The writers can do a lot with Emma and Hook. They now have a back-story and with appearance, drama, tension, and Hook’s personality, there’s enough there to stand their story up, and to keep the audience interested for the long-haul. Neal and Emma have a back-story, but that’s the only place where their tension is. The strong personality isn’t there. The attribute of appearance isn’t there. There’s just not enough there for the writers to draw from for long-term usage.
Right now, there’s another poll on Wetpaint. I think these factors are playing into why there’s such a larger favor toward Hook, than Neal.
Well thought out. Well said. No depth. Good point.
The other guy just isn’t much to look at and sad as I know it is, appearance has everything to do with how fans will relate to what they do with this.
That is shallow thinking from some of the fans about Michael Raymond-James appearance.
Colin O’Donoghue is a looker. Cute as a button. A good ratings getter. The other guy just isn’t much to look at and sad as I know it is, appearance has everything to do with how fans will relate to what they do with this.
When fans say that about appearances, it makes me turned off and not like the character Captain Hook anymore.
^I’m with you. Looks do not factor into my love for a character. My favorite character is Rumpel/Gold, and he’s not a hot young guy. The depth of his character and the actor’s performance is what makes me love him.
Ugh, really guys? So just because a character is pretty they deserve to be exhalted by the fandom? I hate that kind of thinking. I agree with Midnight Dreary and Vampirefan12. I don’t care about looks or youth. I like deep and complex characters that are well written and well acted. So, the fact that Neal is a pretty boy doesn’t really bother me. I’m interested in his story and I like what his character can offer to the rest of the show.
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