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But the story in which Hook and Emma say “we’re gonna make a clone of Hook to keep you safe so we can go back to our normal lives in SB” is soooo much weak sauce, for me.
And I reaaaalllyyy don’t need anymore reason to doubt Emma’s role as “Savior”….like, the clone theory should just not be true. Emotional curtain call, fine, but at least let me keep the respect I have for Emma.
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And a clone Hook is still our Hook just a copy of him. He still has all the memories of Hook. He is still Emma’s husband. Emma is still his true love evident in 7×01 with Rogers
Sure. But it’s still a much better story, IMO, to send *real* Hook for the story reasons I stated above. Not Copy!Hook. I mean why should I care about Clone!Hook and him being there to help Henry. Real Hook helping Henry, suffering through the curse…that’s the better story, IMO. And it keeps to so many of the themes the show likes to present. But the story in which Hook and Emma say “we’re gonna make a clone of Hook to keep you safe so we can go back to our normal lives in SB” is soooo much weak sauce, for me.
They gotta do this cause JMO is only gonna be in one episode. And there’s no pay off to a 20 + episode separation for CS fans if he’s the real Hook. All that angst and separation, the pay off would happen off screen. There’s nothing for the fans to invest in not unless they shot a secret scene when JMO came to film. It’s risky and leaves fans angry cause all that angst and separation the pay off would happen off screen or implied. That’s not good.
This guarantees that CS have their happy ending, that CS is still relevant in S7 cause Rogers TL is Emma and if the endgame of this plot which I suspect is Rogers being reintegrated back into our Hook, then JMO does not need to appear. Just the real Hook in a sequence in SB suggesting that Rogers is back to being a part of Killian. And he can live his HEA w/ Emma and their child..
The child I think will also be incentive for Rogers to want to go back.
And there’s no pay off to a 20 + episode separation for CS fans if he’s the real Hook
Shows aren’t written with only set of fans in mind–in fact they really shouldn’t be written with the fans desires in mind at all. They should be about what’s the stronger story; and while yes, this is separation for CS, Emma still has her memories in SB and would know that Hook is with her son, helping him navigate the curse and be with his true love. I actually think Emma would find the role reversal a little poetic and sweet.
There doesn’t need to be real payoff for CS because they aren’t separated like Snowing in S1 (that’s been delegated to Henry and Cinderella) and when the deed is done, Hook can go home knowing he’s helped Emma’s son and his stepson. The show isn’t about emotional payoff for CS anymore (or Snowing or Outlaw Queen or Rumbelle); it’s about emotional payoff for Cinderella and Henry.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So in 701 Hook remembers Emma, but thinks she’s dead? At least there is only two episodes to endure before it is all over.
What’s a better way to help give Hook some good light (especially now that Emma’s gone and many think Hook serves no purpose without her!) than to have Real!Hook decide to suffer through a curse, be separated from Emma, all to help Henry!
I mean…Hook, prior to the curse happening say to Henry, “You may not have my blood, but I loved your father and I love your mother. We’re family and we’ll get through this together.” *That* is what the story should be.
Sure. But it’s still a much better story, IMO, to send *real* Hook for the story reasons I stated above. Not Copy!Hook. I mean why should I care about Clone!Hook and him being there to help Henry. Real Hook helping Henry, suffering through the curse…that’s the better story, IMO. And it keeps to so many of the themes the show likes to present. But the story in which Hook and Emma say “we’re gonna make a clone of Hook to keep you safe so we can go back to our normal lives in SB” is soooo much weak sauce, for me.
Yes. THIS. It wouldn’t even really bother me if the in show reason they give for Emma not being able to come herself is dumb – I’m fine with just knowing Jmo isn’t returning as a regular so that’s the real reason why.
If you’re putting CS through the ringer of angst and separation then yeah there needs to be pay off for that storyline and it happening off screen is not acceptable, period. Pay off needs to be shown on screen, not implied or shown off screen. That is a not a satisfying end to Hook’s storyline for the season. Them building up him waking up and reuniting with Emma needs to be seen on screen,otherwise there’s no emotional payoff. Sorry RG, but I’m pretty sure more people care about CS then will ever care about Henry/Cinderella even as this season continues. Henry/Cinderella won’t even touch CS in turns of popularity and investment.
They said it’s an emotional curtain call and a satisfying ending for Emma. Her being separated from her true loves is not satisfying. Everything they have said about CS in S7 means they are together living their HEA and that CS fans have nothing to worry about in S7.
Pay off needs to be shown on screen, not implied or shown off scree
The writers do emotional payoff off screen to other storylines all the time, be they big or small.
Her being separated from her true loves is not satisfying.
But she’s not. She knows exactly where he is, what he’s doing and why he’s doing it and like she said at the end of their wedding, she knows they’ll handle whatever is coming. And it’s Sept 2017, Henry is the same age in HH as he was in New!EF so she’s actually only apart from him for a few months, at most, when the curse finally breaks, likely in May. It’s not like Snowing being separated for 28 yrs, a story that absolutely needed emotional on screen resolution. And again, the emotional resolution S7 is concerned with is not CS; it’s Cinderella and Henry. The whole story is geared toward that story, not past couples. If JMo really is one and done and Clone!Hook is not true, then S7B (or even S7A depending on when the curse breaks) ends with Hook saying goodbye to Henry, proud of his role in breaking the curse, and going home to Emma and SB. You don’t need JMo for that and you don’t need a big CS reunion because their story isn’t the one this season cares about.
Sorry RG, but I’m pretty sure more people care about CS then will ever care about Henry/Cinderella even as this season continues. Henry/Cinderella won’t even touch CS in turns of popularity and investment.
I don’t doubt that. But I also don’t think the writers care which is more popular for S7. It doesn’t matter who’s more popular. It’s about what the season is about.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Emma is already separated from her true love, so there is no satisfying ending to be had. Emma is my favorite character and the idea of her just leaving Henry is pretty repugnant. Especially because she is not off have a happy ending if she never gets to see Henry again. That is not a thing. Henry is part of her happy ending. Though, i agree that the actor wants off, Jennifer is going to be in one episode, just let her go at this point. It is not going to be good, just do it and end it. They should have killed her last season and just ended it already.
These writers write scared though, so whatever they do is going to be scared, so a split Hook is possible even though it doesn’t make a single bit of sense and is really poor story telling, it could happen because it is the scared, weak way to end it.
Pay off needs to be shown on screen, not implied or shown off scree
The writers do emotional payoff to other storylines all the time, be they big or small.
Her being separated from her true loves is not satisfying.
But she’s not. She knows exactly where he is, what he’s doing and why he’s doing it and like she said at the end of their wedding, she knows they’ll handle whatever is coming. And it’s Sept 2017, Henry is the same age in HH as he was in New!EF so she’s actually only apart from him for a few months, at most, when the curse finally breaks, likely in May. It’s not like Snowing being separated for 28 yrs, a story that absolutely needed emotional on screen resolution. And again, the emotional resolution S7 is concerned with is not CS; it’s Cinderella and Henry. The whole story is geared toward that story, not past couples. If JMo really is one and done and Clone!Hook is not true, then S7B (or even S7A depending on when the curse breaks) ends with Hook saying goodbye to Henry, proud of his role in breaking the curse, and going home to Emma and SB. You don’t need JMo for that and you don’t need a big CS reunion because their story isn’t the one this season cares about.
The point is RG it’s one a majority of the audience cares about and if your putting them through the ringer of angst then yes you do need a pay off for the 20 + episodes of angst on screen. Not having it is gonna feel like a massive rip off, because what was the point of all that angst. To not see Hook reunite with Emma and his child? It’d be disgusting.
It goes back to the whole why should I care about these new characters getting happy endings when the old characters I’ve invested 6+ years that I do know can have their happy endings be put in jeopardy. I choose the old characters over the new any day as would the majority of the audience. Hence why buzz for the newbies is completely dead. The only time this show really gets buzz now is when they announce an old cast member returning. Nothing about the new characters is getting clicks.
This is why Clone idea works.
You solve the issue of Emma only in one episode.
You show us that CS are living HEA.
You have CS still on the show through Rogers search for what he’s missing aka Emma and his child.
You have Rogers in the finale go back to the real Hook so he can continue to live his HEA w/ Emma and his child.
The only way the he is our Hook theory works and it ends in a satisfying way is if we see a post curse reunion in 7×02. We see Hook reunite w/ Emma and their baby at the end of the episode post curse so we know with confidence they live HEA. Then the rest of the season is about getting to that moment. Otherwise it’s gonna bomb and Colin has spoken adamantly all season that CS fans have nothing to worry about, that CS are together and they’re living their HEA. An off screen reunion is horrible and completely unappealing and not a worthy pay off whatsoever to the angst we’d go through in S7.
The only way the he is our Hook theory works and it ends in a satisfying way is if we see a post curse reunion in 7×02.
I think a variation on this that would be ideal and satisfying would be for Hook and Emma to obtain some kind of magic object that shows them their future of reuniting. That way we know they get their HEA, it’s “an emotional curtain call” for Emma since she and Hook are temporarily separating and she can’t go help Henry because (insert reason), and we get to see the actual Hook from the past 5 seasons going forward.
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