February 13, 2015 at 4:01 pm #295872[adrotate group="5"]February 13, 2015 at 4:16 pm #295874PriceofMagicParticipant
Hopefully this means Belle will get a decent amount of screentime in 4B and that we’ll get actual scenes of RumBelle together where they get to talk without being interrupted.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixFebruary 13, 2015 at 4:26 pm #295875
I think a confrontation/Rumbelle collision is inevitable. But I agree with Eddy, it defiantly will not be smooth sailing, nor should it be.February 13, 2015 at 6:28 pm #295905KebParticipant
Nope, I want to see every gloriously angsty moment of Rumple winning Belle back. But I do believe she will eventually forgive him, because she loves him and has for a very long time. She didn’t banish him just because of what he did to her, though that was part of it; she did it because she’s a hero and she had to stop him. If/when he can persuade her that he really has changed and won’t be murdering the peasants anymore, she’ll take him back.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingFebruary 13, 2015 at 11:09 pm #295925
Personally, I think it’s going to take more than Rumple’s word to Belle that isn’t going to kill anyone for her to take him back. This is Rumple we’re talking about. He promised Belle in Broke (2×01), he wouldn’t kill Regina and found a way around that. He basically did the same thing with Zelena. He’s the master of finding loopholes for stuff.
I don’t know how you can forgive murder and using someone as an alibi for murder. Because that’s what he did with Belle. And he kept on lying to her. If I were Belle, don’t take him back. RG was right in the Rumbelle thread that it would set a very, very bad example if Belle took him back. Because she’s continuing to enable his bad behavior.February 13, 2015 at 11:56 pm #295926KebParticipant
At this point, she can only take him back if we, the audience, trust that he HAS changed, and that her doing so isn’t enabling him to commit further crimes.
There IS a Rumple that means well, that wants to be a good person, hidden under the fear and lust for power. We see it in his admiration for Neal, David, and Emma. We see it in the Dark One who started off his career by ending a war and bringing home the children sent to fight it. We see it in the rare moments when he does the right thing without making a deal or double-crossing anyone. (We don’t see it much at all in S4A, though.) That’s the man that Belle originally sensed and fell in love with.
Keeping in mind that this IS a fictional story (otherwise we must equally condemn Hook and Regina to miserable ends for their crimes), it’s not unreasonable to hope for and want to see that man rescued and redeemed from his darkness and weakness. That could be an exciting story, and it’s what I’m hoping they have in store for Rumbelle. But for it to be satisfying, we’re going to have to see Rumple redeem himself, and it’s going to take a lot; I really can’t say at this point just what it WOULD take for it to be acceptable for Belle to be with him again, but definitely a surrender of his power is necessary.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingFebruary 14, 2015 at 12:35 am #295930onceaholicParticipant
If she is sensible,
Forgive? Yes. Forgiveness comes from within. It does not depend on the person who hurt you.
Trust? No. She should move on. (Perhaps onto Quasimodo, seeing as she likes the uglies!)
Keeper of Regina's braveryFebruary 14, 2015 at 12:58 am #295932RumplesGirlKeymaster
Keeping in mind that this IS a fictional story (otherwise we must equally condemn Hook and Regina to miserable ends for their crimes)
Who said anything about a miserable end? Not having Belle = / = a miserable end.
it’s not unreasonable to hope for and want to see that man rescued and redeemed from his darkness and weakness.
This concept and Rumbelle are not one and the same. Being rescued and redeemed does not need to come from A and E’s catchall solution to all the things: TL. This is an internal thing. And if Rumple changes and Belle *still* does not forgive him…well that’s the price he has to pay for the sheer amount of crap he did last season that made zero sense outside of “necessary for plot”"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"February 14, 2015 at 2:40 am #295934TheWatcherParticipant
My little rambling thoughts as I have been skimming this and the Rumbelle thread:
We musn’t forget who this couple is:
I have absolutely zero faith that A&E would pull such a bold move as to split up the beauty from her beast. They haven’t broken up a canon Disney couple yet. This is just one of the road bumps for this particular ship whether we like it or not. They are going to give us the True Love conquers all spiel and EVENTUALLY Belle and Rump will indeed unite, share TLK, break his curse, and leave peacefully in their marriage. Even if Rump dies this season I am sure he would die on good terms with Belle. They won’t leave them at odds with eachother.
In this situation on a different show, I would be rooting for Belle to leave Rump, walk away for good, and go on and live a great life. But with Once, I don’t see that happening. I am all for redemption and I DO believe a person can change, and like Keb said, there is a good man within rumple beneath all his crap, but for how long can Rumpel play this game before one gets tired of it. He’s good, he’s evil, he’s good, he’s evil, he’s good, but then he is secretly evil. It’s like..no. I love RumBelle, but…just no.
The question really is, whether or not Belle leaves him or if Rump can actually change and get her back, can A&E actually write the outcome well enough. It’s going to take more than a few good deeds to mend what he has done. And most definitely not what, the 11 episodes we will have for this season? If they want us to buy that Belle forgives Rump and want us to actually want her to be with him, its going to be a long road before we get back there. Not an 11 episode road.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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I agree that it’s going to be a long road to a RumBelle reunion. However, as I posted in the RumBelle thread, the whole Rumple gives up power isn’t a simple solution because, not only does Rumple believe he needs the power to protect his loved ones, but the other characters only reinforce this belief by constantly running to Rumple for a magical solution when something starts going down in town. Rumple is being set up to fail by the heroes and then criticised for his failings.
The way Rumple went about trying to free himself from the dagger and keep his power, eg hatting people and trying to crush Hook’s heart, were wrong but in reality what were his options?
1. TLK with Belle, break the curse and lose the power- All well and good until a new big bad comes to town and the heroes come crying to him for help, only this time he can’t do anything. Belle is then vulnerable and Rumple himself is then vulnerable to a more powerful enemy, and the reason why Rumple keeps the power is to protect his loved ones.
2. Rumple keeps the curse and the power- Rumple is at risk of another Zelena situation happening and would constantly live in fear of that because if it can happen once, it can happen again. Even entrusting the “dagger” to Belle lead to Belle trying to use it against him, and the next person to try and use it against him might not be so good-hearted as Belle and could be 10 times worse than Zelena.
3. Rumple frees himself from the dagger but gets to keep the power- This is a good option. It removes the risk of option 2 but avoids the consequences of option 1. It’s a win/win. Rumple can use his power to protect loved ones yet not be controlled. However, the only way to achieve this is hatting people you don’t like and crushing the heart of someone you really don’t like.
Of the 3 options which would you choose?
Rumple is in a no-win situation because either way is “wrong” in some form and the heroes will criticise him for it.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of Felix
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