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But with Once, I don’t see that happening. I am all for redemption and I DO believe a person can change, and like Keb said, there is a good man within rumple beneath all his crap, but for how long can Rumpel play this game before one gets tired of it.
Well 1) I believe in all that too, but that does not mean that Belle *has* to go back to him just because he redeemed himself or something. Forgiveness =/ = forgetting. And even thought they love each other deeply, Rumple did some horrible horrible horrible things.
2) Yes I know there is a good man within Rumple. Guys, it’s me. I was co-captain of the Rumple defense squad, three years running here. I know what kind of man he is. But he’s also a man who was given a second chance, saw the price of magic as he watched his son die on the cold hard ground, and then decided to go super duper evil but never once invokes his son’s name and memory and the pain of losing him as a reaason why.
Everyone seems to be taking away Belle’s agency here. It’s all “so long as Rumple proves he has really changed, she’ll take him back.” Look, I don’t doubt for a second that A and E will put them back together. They aren’t exactly concerned with morality or sending a positive message to their young female viewers who are getting about 10000000 confusing messages about romantic true love from A and E. But that doesn’t mean that it’s a good story. He *murdered* people. Without remorse. After being given a second chance. This show has never strictly been just a fairy tale. It’s about how those fairy tales operate in our world. And I’m sorry but if the message is “this is your fairy tale!” then what the *hell* kind of philosophy is that for the millions upon millions of women who are trapped in the same kind of hell…”buck up ladies. this is your fairy tale.” It’s not just a show…it’s our culture. And it should reflect the kind of morals and ethics and judgements we would want upheld in the real world. Why? Because if you want to change the way society operates, then start changing the culture and the way we digest it.
But none of this matters. I *want* Rumple to live. I want him to find inner peace. But I think Belle taking him back because “it’s true love” is a horrifying message to send
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here’s the thing, though: Can Belle have a happy ending without the man she loves as part of it? It doesn’t weaken her character in the slightest for her to want to be with her True Love, on terms she can live with as a good person.
I do think that taking away almost every loving moment Rumple could have had in S4A really hurt the character’s portrayal, and that was an A&E mistake. But in the cut scenes they showed us (and declared canonical, whatever that means if you don’t think it’s important enough to put in the show as it airs), there’s a bit more of the complex man we’re talking about. The one that’s worth seeing redeem himself.
Belle’s been punished a LOT for loving a villain. 9/10 bad things that have happened to her have been related to the fact that she loves Rumple. So after all that pain and suffering…what outcome do you want for her? Something less than true love?
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I wouldn’t want Belle to be in an unhealthy relationship either, which if she did take him back, that’s ultimately how Rumbelle would be viewed as going forward. I don’t there’s any way for me to erase that taint to their relationship.
I do, however think it’s possible for Belle to be happy without Rumple. I think she can stand on her own two feet if she really wanted and if truly given the chance to. Who is Belle without Rumple? I really want to know.
Not everyone in the world wants to be in a relationship. Being in a relationship isn’t for everyone. Sometimes a person is happier being on their own.
Can Belle have a happy ending without the man she loves as part of it?
Yes. She can. Millions of people do it every day. It doesn’t weaken her character to decide not to be with him. In fact it is more damaging to believe that you cannot be happy without “your one true love.” It is a dangerous game A and E are playing here.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here’s the thing, though: Can Belle have a happy ending without the man she loves as part of it? It doesn’t weaken her character in the slightest for her to want to be with her True Love, on terms she can live with as a good person.
I agree.
I do think that taking away almost every loving moment Rumple could have had in S4A really hurt the character’s portrayal, and that was an A&E mistake. But in the cut scenes they showed us (and declared canonical, whatever that means if you don’t think it’s important enough to put in the show as it airs), there’s a bit more of the complex man we’re talking about. The one that’s worth seeing redeem himself.
I completely agree. We could’ve done with a bit less Frozen and more focus on the existing characters that we’ve loved since season 1. At this stage of the game, the writers should be concentrating on maintaining their existing audience base rather than trying to draw in new audience members with Shiny!Shiny!Shiny! which they then drop and move on from every 11 episodes. If your existing audience is happy, they’re the ones likely to bring in new audience members through word of mouth. Once isn’t a show you can just drop in on halfway through it’s fourth season run.
Belle’s been punished a LOT for loving a villain. 9/10 bad things that have happened to her have been related to the fact that she loves Rumple. So after all that pain and suffering…what outcome do you want for her? Something less than true love?
I agree.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixBelle’s been punished a LOT for loving a villain. 9/10 bad things that have happened to her have been related to the fact that she loves Rumple. So after all that pain and suffering…what outcome do you want for her? Something less than true love?
And when all that pain and suffering has been because of her true love…what ending do *you* want for her? How about self respect. How about internal peace? How about knowing that she had the strength to stand up and say, “I love you….but I love myself too. And I deserve better than constantly looking over my shoulder wondering if/when you will decide that power is more important than me”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And when all that pain and suffering has been because of her true love…what ending do *you* want for her? How about self respect. How about internal peace? How about knowing that she had the strength to stand up and say, “I love you….but I love myself too. And I deserve better than constantly looking over my shoulder wondering if/when you will decide that power is more important than me”
By that logic then Snowing shouldn’t be together because all the crap that has happened to Charming has been because of Snow and her feud with Regina.
Belle has self respect and strength. If she didn’t she’d never have kicked Rumple out of Storybrooke, she’d never stand up for herself, she’d never call Rumple out on his crap. Belle giving Rumple a second chance does not mean she’s lost her self-respect or strength and that she’s become a doormat.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIt doesn’t weaken her character to decide not to be with him. In fact it is more damaging to believe that you cannot be happy without “your one true love.” It is a dangerous game A and E are playing here.
This.
So after all that pain and suffering…what outcome do you want for her? Something less than true love?
Belle deserves happiness and that doesn’t have to come fro a relationship and even then, it doesn’t have to come from one with Rumpel. True Love is not the ultimate form of happiness. You can be just as happy being alone…*Watcher looks in the mirror and remembers it Valentines Day T_T*
And when all that pain and suffering has been because of her true love…what ending do *you* want for her? How about self respect. How about internal peace? How about knowing that she had the strength to stand up and say, “I love you….but I love myself too. And I deserve better than constantly looking over my shoulder wondering if/when you will decide that power is more important than me”
By that logic then Snowing shouldn’t be together because all the crap that has happened to Charming has been because of Snow and her feud with Regina.
Two completely different things. Snow wasn’t running around lying and murdering behind Charmings back. Whatever problems they had, they worked through them together. Never against one another.
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Snow murdered Cora when Charming told her not to. Charming lied about the dreamshade. Regina murdered Marian and was so blasé about it she didn’t even remember she’d done it when she hooked up with Marian’s husband. Hook hasn’t told Emma various things that she should probably know about. Neal didn’t tell Emma the truth but instead just left her and let her belief he’d betrayed her. Point is ALL the couples on Once have a problem in some way.
I think Belle should take Rumple back after he has earned her trust and forgiveness because he loves her and she loves him. He screwed up, that doesn’t mean he can’t try and make it right.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
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